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'Not welcome here': Arab leaders cancel Dearborn meeting with Biden campaign manager

www.detroitnews.com 'Not welcome here': Arab leaders cancel Dearborn meeting with Biden campaign manager

A group meeting with President Joe Biden's campaign manager in Dearborn was canceled after an outcry but other meetings were expected to proceed.

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Trump. You are supporting Trump. Trump will ban Muslims again and not just the foreign ones.

Biden is not the one murdering Palestinians.

Bebe is.

Bebe and Trump are buddies. Bebe spoke directly to Congress to humiliate Obama to help Trump get elected. He chose sides and interfered in the US election. Because Bebe is a racist genocidal murderer.

Sometimes Presidents have to do difficult diplomacy. And it sucks.

But Trump is coming for all Muslims. Seriously. We cannot have Trump again.

An American election is a zero sum game. You are forced to pick the least crappy option.
- The election is important BUT the president isn't and shouldn't be above criticism. He is not doing the killing but he's keeping the killers well stocked with weapons and ammunition, doing PR for them and undermining any attempt to stop the killing.
  
  If this isn't something he should be criticised for I don't know what is
  
  People who support genocide for its own sake will come up with any excuse to keep their indefensible positions from scrutiny.
  
  And were Biden stupid enough to cut aid to Israel he'd lose two to three times as many potential Votes as there are to gain from cutting off aid. But you don't care about that as purity is the only concern and consequences are for others to pay.
- Not meeting with Biden =/= Voting for Trump
  
  But let's not pretend this coverage doesn't have an impact on certain voters who throw their hands up and go, "ah hell they're all the same! I'm not voting!"
  
  Right-wing operatives are already obviously seizing on this wedge-driving opportunity.
  
  Just equals supporting his bid for power. And in turn supporting lil' dic. pootie and fash baby bibi as they are who gain should you succeed in bringing Biden down.
  
  As far as centrists are concerned, anything other than worship of everything Biden does is a vote for Trump.
- The US is funding and providing the weapons to kill Palestinians, resources Biden can withhold if he chooses to. Biden may not be pulling the trigger any more than Netanyahu is, but he is responsible for their deaths, and should be held accountable
  
  Congress controls foreign aid. It's usually bundled such that it's part of a larger funding bill. There's very little Biden can do without opening a can of worms.
- Religious people? Being blatantly stupid? You don't fucking say!
- Here an alternative point of view:
  
  As democrat who cares about the country you should help force your leadership to stop the genocide or stop aid and sale of arms if you want my vote.
- So facilitating the murder of millions of muslims is ok, but not letting them enter your country is worse?
- Muslims and Republicans have more uncommon than they like to admit. So they won’t find 4 years of Trump a big problem. Especially the ones that live in the big Muslim communities that aren’t facing much discrimination.
  
  They agree on a lot of things - but the color of their skin and the god they respectively worship is a real big divide.
  
  For anyone on the outside who doesn’t care which god or skin color, they look practically identical.
- the least crappy option is cornel west
  
  No. Cornel West has no experience in public office and the Presidency isn't the place to learn on the job.
1 in 200 Gazans were killed, for people who has family in that area of the world, they were someone's old neighbour, friend or relative.

I get that not voting for Biden effectively helps the Republicans, but those groups won't agree to be political pawns, not at least without actions supporting an immediate ceasefire first.
- 1 in 200 Gazans were killed
  
  How'd you get that? I come up with 1 in 80 using 25,000 dead and population of 2,000,000.
- It's closer to 1 in every 80 who have been killed now (26,083 out of apx 2.1 million).
- It's already 1+ in 100.
- Other than the actions Biden has already taken to get a ceasefire, including the one which happened, what specific actions would you suggest that wouldn't damage his chances at the polls more than it gained him?
  
  Ronald Reagan stopped Israels invasion with a single phone call in 20 minutes
  
  And no, it didn't cost him votes.
  
  This is such a helpless 'well what can I do' abdication of responsibility. It's also completely ahistorical.
  
  Congrats on your propaganda.
  
  Stop giving billions of dollars of weapons for free to a country actively committing genocide.
  
  Stop spreading false Israeli propaganda ("40 beheaded babies", "only democracy in the middle east", "human shields" etc)
  
  When Israel commits war crimes on camera, criticize them publically instead of running defense for them.
  
  Call up Netanyahu and tell him that, if he continues this war, the US will withdraw support for Israel. If it worked for Reagan, why can't it work for Biden?
You'll surely get a better deal under trump

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