"In the United States, previous elections were falsified through postal voting ... they bought ballots for $10, filled them out, and threw them into mailboxes without any supervision from observers, and that's it," Putin said, without providing evidence. Putin's opponents say the March election in ...
(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin, running for a new six-year term in an election that his opponents say is a parody of democracy, said on Tuesday that past U.S. elections had been rigged by postal voting.
"In the United States, previous elections were falsified through postal voting ... they bought ballots for $10, filled them out, and threw them into mailboxes without any supervision from observers, and that's it," Putin said, without providing evidence.
Elections have been rigged for a long, long time. Gerrymandering is absolutely insane. Cities with meandering sections cut off. Disadvantaged suburbs slammed into afluent areas across town to dilute the votes.
Just like all the claims the GOP makes now. If they claim we're doing something it's because they're doing it.
Not. To say that there's not Democratic gerrymandering as well, but when 80% of it leans red that 20% blue is more of a defensive posture than anything.
You could also have any political opponents thrown in jail or wait for them to fall out of a window. You don't need to tamper with the system that way.
"In the United States, previous elections were falsified through postal voting ... they bought ballots for $10, filled them out, and threw them into mailboxes without any supervision from observers, and that's it,"
Problem - That's not the way vote by mail works.
You register to vote and place a signature on file.
You get your ballot in the mail and vote.
You put the ballot in the mailing envelope and sign the back of the envelope.
When the ballot is returned, they compare the signature on the envelope with the signature on file, if it matches, the ballot is set aside for counting.
If there's a PROBLEM:
A) Missing signature
B) Signature doesn't match
C) Ballot damaged or unreadable
D) Ballot already recorded as present
The ballot gets returned to the voter for correction, assuming there's enough time for it to be corrected.
What Putin describes wouldn't work, because the fake ballots either wouldn't have a signature, wouldn't have a valid signature, or wouldn't correspond to a registered voter.
The supervision is the signature comparison, just like in person voting where you'd go in, sign the register, and they'd compare that signature to the one on file.
Just like Trump lies, Putin requires that there be no evidence to support his claims. Imagine if Trump actually tried to prove his claims with evidence... it would fail. Even if one ended up true that would be worse as then people would expect him to prove things with evidence in the future.
I fail to see why it would not work though? Instead of paying 10$ for an empty ballot from a registered voter you pay 10$ for an empty ballot from a registered voter and and their signed envelope?
Like I am not saying this happened, because 10$ ballot sales would probably have made the news around the election, I doubt 10$ buys silence. But like I fail to see how this is impossible?
Pot calling Kettle black, but he ain't even wrong.
Not even getting into the Brooks Brothers Riots or Operation Eagle Eye or the straight explicit rigging of Jim Crow, the modern political class fully endorses rigging elections
Putin knows the US elections can be rigged because he's had his hands on the levers of power. But he's hardly unique in that regard. Certainly, not given how we've eviscerated the Voting Rights Act over the last twenty years.
The brooks brothers riots had nothing to do with mail in voting, neither did any of the other examples you gave. If you’re going to say he’s right you need to qualify that since he specifically stated postal voting as the medium for rigging.
Right so why doesn't he provide proof then? He's absolutely motivated to provide it if he has it so the fact that he doesn't have it basically proves he just making stuff up.
Rhetoric of this sort just promotes distrust in election systems, which of course prompts demagogues like Trump to promise voters they can fix it if they gain power. The fun thing here is that the right here needs you to believe things that aren't true in order to justify them doing a coup, the stupid thing is that stupid people take this kind of talk seriously.
But seriously, American voting is relatively secure- it's just that where lawmakers don't want voters deciding the 'wrong' way they've gerrymandered them into districts to prevent them doing it, and they've done things to strip voters of their voting rights and to suppress voting and to make it inconvenient or difficult to vote. This has been a bipartisan thing in the past, but today the GOP are the chief offenders.
Also, Putin's Russia is in the stage of democracy where elections are an exercise in flaunting the death of democracy itself, and nobody should ever take his talk about elections as being in good faith, ever
There's plenty of injustice in our voting system but it's all out in the open. Seriously, why go through the tremendous amount of risk and effort needed to fake votes when there are plenty of ways to sway the election in broad daylight?
Hey Putin, we're all saving up for the gigantic party we're gonna throw when you blow your (meager collection of) irradiated brains out all over your disheveled office.
I love the logic pivot on people who in the 90s thought russia was just straight up evil are now looking at them as the bastion of conservative ideals...
Go move to Russia boys, oh you don't want to? Why not they apparently have it all figured out.
Seems like they're going to be shooting for an off election cycle coup, since their last one failed and its not quite time for the next window of opportunity.
The supreme court taking up Trumps case the most significant case in the history of the United States. It will decide if our constitution has any real meaning (in some ways, it determines the tests the very legitimacy of constitutionalism as a system). The language of the constitution, and the interpretation of this amendment is very cut and dry. No one can reasonably argue it wasn't designed, and intended to prevent Trump or Trump-like candidates. It was an insurrection against the United States of America. He not only partook in it, he led it, supported it.
So this may be a signal that Putin thinks the Supreme Court will rule against Trump. Go ahead and start seeding the doubt around the next election cycle now.
It may also be a sign for something far more nefarious, that perhaps rather than allowing a ruling to happen, Trump goes for a coup-in-name-only, makes the claim that the election was stolen, and that he is 'President-in-Abstentia' sitting in Moscow. Then gets his lackies to make road blocks across the country, idk.
He's right you know. He's just not saying it's the Republicans who are benefitting.
Supreme Court nominations, Republicans benefit. Voter suppression/intimidation, Republicans benefit.
Recounting elections (Gore vs Bush), Republicans benefit.
Tossing votes before they get counted, Republicans benefit.
Articles like this just prove that this country isn't really paying attention anymore. Everybody has mentally checked out. And I don't blame them, this is exhausting. But it's all to the Republicans benefit.
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