As if the tip actually goes to the dashers.

They really need to stop calling it a tip. It's a bid for service.

Stop using DoorDash and other delivery services. They're a huge scam and you end up paying double for cold food that someone might have tampered with.

It does, but the thinking here is that the dasher basically loses money taking no tip orders. Which in my Nordic mind is a fucked up business model. A living wage should be the minimum requirement.

This entire tipping thing is terrible - including for dashers themselves.

It means dashers income heavily relies on strangers being kind enough to leave some extra.

It means customers are gonna feel bad for not paying more than their order amount (and they probably will pay the tip)

It means company can employ slave labor for extremely low pay and still have people willing to do this.

Tipping benefits only one party - the companies. We need to stop it.

The purpose of tips has gone away in the US. You are supposed to tip after the delivery for a good service. Now you have to "tip" for a good service.

I stopped ordering from these apps because I got tired of watching the driver take my food on a tour of my city and having it arrive cold and wrong.

The last time I went to pick up my food from a restaurant I saw a dasher standing outside a restaurant staring at his phone with food in his hand, I went inside and while I was waiting the dude came back in, dropped the food and asked for another order because the one he took wasn't tipping.

Fuck this system and fuck these apps, pick up your own food (if you can).

We should really not be normalizing calling money paid in advance to not have your food arrive late/cold a "tip". It's extortion.

Tipping culture in America is fucked beyond belief. Pay everybody a fair wage and let's get rid of tipping so nobody ever has to deal with this bullshit again.

What I do:

$0 tip

In the special instructions: "Ring doorbell for cash tip. Do not just leave at door".

Traffic in my area is awful so I always tip $20 no matter the order. Sometimes that comes to almost an 80% tip but a) I know it goes to the driver, b) I don't have to drive in that shitshow, and c) I reward a driver for actually reading the special instructions.

They get 100% of the tip, it's a legal requirement. The scummy part is the company does this to give you the opportunity NOT to tip, and therefore subsidize the food for shitty people.

Just in case, the few times I have ordered food, I put a dollar or two tip in the app, and add a note saying I'll give them a cash tip. Usually I'll give them a 2-4 Dollars more depending. If you're using these services you need to tip, that's how they make their livelyhood and feed their families.

It's a scummy business, and you should definitely try to avoid using it unless it's your only option for some reason. Your order will probably be at least $30, but do you know how much spaghetti you can make with $30??

I used DoorDash today and the add tip screen said that 100% of the tip goes to the driver. I know they got a lot of bad PR for stealing part of the tips some time ago and had to make public statements about improving their policies. Are we saying that even after all that, they’re just outright completely lying?

I'm a dasher. Yes, drivers do get tips, and our livelihoods depend on people tipping. Yes, you should tip, yes, you're just being cheap if you don't. Yes, it is bullshit that doordash doesn't pay us more, yes, tipping culture is bullshit. But you still eat out at your favorite greasy spoon knowing full well the staff depends on tips to pay their rent so you tip them.

If you don't want to tip, get off your ass and get the food yourself. We're dying out there and don't need a hundred 15-mile-0-tip deliveries declined a day dragging down our acceptance rates. Just treat us like fucking humans, ffs. Please. Tip. Your. Drivers.

All the bullshit with tipping on food delivery apps made me stop using them years ago.

First I hear the apps are stealing tips. Then they're not stealing tips anymore. Then maybe they're stealing some of the tips.

To try and avoid all that I tried to use cash. The drivers don't get their base rate reduced and they get the entire, non-reportable cash tip. Then my food started taking twice as long and arriving cold because the drivers thought I was stiffing them.

My theory is the apps do this (pre-tipping) on purpose to discourage cash and after-tipping so they can lower what they pay the driver and they'll still accept the order because they see the higher after tip amount. So now the apps might not be technically stealing tips, but they're using up front tips to allow them to reduce their shitty base rate for everyone.

Now if want delivery it's pizza, Chinese, or one of the few other places with their own drivers. I've had this policy for years now and I don't see myself ever going back unless it's an emergency.

Bonus to me: all my takeout/delivery is now 20-30% cheaper. Everyone should really take a look at the inflated prices they're paying and decide if it's really worth saving a short drive.

They do get the tips.

Fuck tips

The tip absolutely goes to the dasher. The screwed up system aside you are only compounding the exploitation of the delivery driver.

Don't use the app but don't get mad at a system that you're choosing to participate in and actively making worse.

Reason I don't use these services is the tip is expected in advance. Bring me my food hot and in a timely fashion and I'll give you a good tip. I'm not paying you ahead of time to take too long bringing me cold food. I'd rather pick it up myself.

Orders with no tip might take longer to get delivered — are you sure?

Well, I 'might' not order from you again then — are you sure?

That's just the opposite of how tipping is supposed to work. If I'm happy with the service, I'll tip (and I'm far, far from the US - in a place where you don't get frowned upon if you don't tip) - and by "happy" I don't even mean something extraordinary - but I can't know if I will be happy in advance. Moreover I'd prefer tipping in cash as opposed to through an app - this way I know the money can go directly in the worker's pocket, not in the company's.

Damn, tips used to be given after a job well done not before.

Sometimes it frightens me to see how things in the US are working. This crap will come to europe sooner or later, the US capitalism is just a few years ahead.

Add a note in delivery instructions “cash tip”.

It also gives the advantage of tipping less if it takes too long ;)

Tips are completely optional, but it would be a shame if something happened to your order. Would you like to tip so we can, uh... protect you from such unfortunate circumstances?

It's a bad system but you are a bad person if you don't tip.

The tip does go to the driver

? I thought it did though. I've read online stories of Dashers being annoyed at low tips.

I don't use doordash but don't be a dick and leave no tip. That's such a selfish thing to do.

I swear I read somewhere that there are parts of Europe were tipping isn't required, but if you want extra good service you'll tip before being served if you want good attentive service.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I can't remember where I read it.

Cash tipping is king for just this reason.

I know another industry that asks to pre tip before services rendered. Asian Spas... In both cases, you can get fucked.

Can you decrease it afterwards?

And I don’t think it makes your order arrive any faster.

As someone who both drives for doordash and uses doordash to order. At least in my state. You cannot opt to not tip. Its not an option. Theres a mandatory tip of 4.00$ per order regardless of what you order, how far the location is from delivery etc.

This is much "America" for my european brain

They need a "cash tip at the door" option