China tightens access to Tiananmen Square while 32 are detained in Hong Kong

Hey, tankies, decent countries don't have to violently suppress their populations and then lie about it. Oh, and socialism is worker ownership of the means of production, not whatever the fuck they're doing in China.

(inb4 people assuming I must support the US since I hate China)

decent countries don’t have to violently suppress their populations and then lie about it
Yeah, "decent" (read: western) countries can just do it and not talk about it because liberals will gladly work on their behalf and deny that it ever happens or deflect to repost lies about global south countries like they do with China.
A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”
https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/
https://www.workers.org/2022/06/64607/
https://videos.files.wordpress.com/mPSOWUUU/tank-man-2_dvd.mp4
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html
Here's an interesting video that I hope will make you question if Marxist-Leninists are really the ones you should be calling "tankies": https://files.catbox.moe/rpzgus.webm
Decent countries. What a slippery slope for supremacist thoughts.
- Ah yes.
  Being against China's racist genocide is racist.
  China, the imperialist ethno-state, is clearly innocent.
- Lol. Thinking some countries have better governments than others is supremacist? Whatever, dude.
  By the way. If there are any countries with decent governments, I don't know of them. But like. If there were decent countries, they wouldn't behave like China.
All states are fundamentally violent, what are you imagining to be a "decent" country where there is no violence by the state?
- It also precludes the fact that prior to State formation and complex agriculture, tribal society wasn't exactly all that peaceful either. Violence is fundamental to human behavior.
- There's a difference between a country that has a monopoly on violence and can use that for enforcement, compared to a state that responds to people just making their voices heard with cannons and guns. A cat nipping my fingers is annoying. A lion gnawing my head off is deadly.
Your instance doesn't federate with the "tankies" so you won't even see my comment. Who is suppressing who?
- false equivalence much?
Yeah, China doesn't do those things, like UK arresting anti-monarquie protestors. Or Canada arresting truckers. Or France arresting people who doesn't want to work untill they die....
- One thing western liberals will never understand is that once you branch out into the world, and really have the opportunity to live and experience the customs of difference societies, you'll quickly realize that different countries have 'vastly' different ideas about what they believe their relationship to the government should be.
  I'll never forget the British chick on some UK television program, that was stumped by an ISIS sympathizer in the UK when she asked him "what happens to most people who don't want to obey the law in your country?," and he replied back, "what happens to most people who don't want to obey the law of Britain? 'They get arrested'." She froze on the panel and got dead silent, before pivoting to something else.

Wow. There's a lot of CCP folks working the federated space.

One of the big instances, Lemmygrad, is basically dedicated to that crowd. If the influx of Reddit refugees doesn't counterbalance them then at some point I'll probably move to an instance that doesn't federate with them.
- I've already done the same, can recommend it

Don't ever let anyone forget or brush under the rug the horrible acts that occurred in Tiananmen Square on June 4th, 1989.

https://www.history.com/topics/asian-history/tiananmen-square

- I think that tankies, arguably, are hardly leftists at all.
  Looking at the community, all I see is Red-Draped Reactionaries.
- No thanks. I don't give a fuck about getting ratio'd. Let the people decide. Assuming this platform ever gets more traction, which it seems to be doing, the vast majority of the people that come here won't be tankies so... no, no I don't think I will go somewhere else.
- Why make/go to another political echo chamber over potentially getting "ratio'd" (which is meaningless and doesnt say anything about one's argument). Anyone has the right to post something no matter what people around think. Posting all this on an instance that would be INSTANTLY defederated by instances like lemmygrad is pointless and we'd just end up with less debate and more polarization.
- Nah, eventually they will be outnumbered an dislike to go beyond lemmygrad because they get endlessly shit on

China doesn't say nothing happened, what they say is that counter revolution happened, and it was effectively suppressed. Why would you let someone celebrate the equivalent of an extremist movement?
- Corrupt, murderous dictatorships rarely tolerate accurate recollections of history.
- Effectively suppressed by tanks and rifles? What exactly is the problem with acknowledging what happened if it can be seen as a deterent for future counter-revolutionaries?
Doesn't that make you more seriously consider that the CPC's position on this issue has been misrepresented?

Nice job trying to justify the Tiananmen Square massacre. Now can you justify the detention of 32 people and the restriction of the square itself which took place yesterday?
I call bullshit on this view of the things. I have no desire to explain in detail but I lived in one of those countries and my dad was in front of those tanks.

Wow a post on lemmy denouncing the CCPs actions instead of denying them or even trying to justify them? Thats rare

I plan on actively posting to counter the constant barrage of tankie propaganda that is very clearly an issue here. Misinformation is a very real issue that we face in our society and unless we actually do something about it, it will only continue to get worse.
- Don’t get ahead of yourself. Most people ‘vastly’ overestimate their ability to spot propaganda.
- It is a very real issue so it'd be nice if you'd stopped doing it yourself. Also this is not world news, this is a China news, world news is not whatever the US and its European eunuchs oppose to.
- @Senokir @Solaris1789 I hope they don't ban you

Meanwhile in Taiwan, the island's equivalent of the Tiananmen massacre from the KMT dictatorship (the 228 incident) has its own memorial park and museum.

No need for a self-inflicted legitimacy crisis when you respect your citizens' basic rights.

- If you're not Taiwanese yourself (i.e., one of the people who's actually affected by what happens there), I definitely don't care about your opinion on this topic.

an unknown number of deaths... yet calls it a massacre

It's a large number, but it's hard to tell how large because the CPC keeps that information tightly under wraps. The official statement claimed just 200, but recently declassified diplomatic cables from the UK give an estimate of 10,000 dead (source). The original source was inside China's State Council. It's important to remember that the actions taken that day were far from universally supported even inside the party. There was a massive purge afterward of officials that were deemed to be sympathetic to the protestors.
Edit: This estimate likely has fog of war issues itself, though, since it was sent so shortly after the massacre. Other estimates are far lower, but still much higher than the official figures. The CPC does not want to admit the extent that it screwed up and killed its own citizens.
- 10,000 is absurd and it's a disgrace that the absolute bullshit reporting that some hack journos gave at the time is still treated credibly. Do you think there were machine guns on roofs and tanks deliberately pulping bodies, too?