Ok, I don’t get it. Can you explain it to me?
Timeshift works only with BTRFS subvolumes, thus, if you wanna have backups (snapshots), you have to have subvolumes and not install in the root of a BTRFS filesystem 😔.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
you can create them afterwards and move the stuff into the subvol. do it from a live usb and don't forget to update fstab. be sure to use rsync with the flag to keep permissions etc
Yeah, that should work, thanks 👍.
You're welcome
That's simple, but it's a completely unnecessary waste of I/O. You could create a writable snapshot of the btrfs root as a subvolume, edit the fstab and any other relevant files within that new subvolume, reconfigure the bootloader to specify that subvolume as the root filesystem (as a Linux kernel command line argument) instead of the btrfs root, and then reboot. After rebooting, the original btrfs root can be mounted, and everything unwanted from the original root (other than the new subvolume and its ancestor directories, obviously) can be deleted. Do not delete anything that you didn't want to lose the changes to on the original root subvolume that you did after creating the snapshot, as the snapshot only remembers what you did before, as well as the changes made specific only to it (like the fstab).
If one wanted to create multiple subvolumes for different purposes, the above procedure can be modified. For instance, if one wanted a separate subvolume mounted at / vs /home, then one can create two writable snapshots, empty out the contents of home in new subvolume 1 (but not the /home directory itself because you want the directory to exist for something to mount onto it), empty out everything outside of home within new subvolume 2, move the contents of home therein up one directory and remove the /home directory itself. Now, one can edit the fstab in new subvolume 1 as appropriate (not forgetting to have new subvolume 2 mount at /home), edit any other relevant files, reconfigure the bootloader to tell the Linux to use new subvolume 1 as the root subvolume, then reboot. Finally, one can remove the unnecessary files from the original root.
Edit:
It is arguably better to manually specify the new root when booting in the Linux kernel command line, and not reconfigure the bootloader until you successfully boot. After success, (if the following is relevant to your system) use
update-grub, and it should look at fstab to automatically reconfigure the bootloader accordingly to use the appropriate new subvolume as specified at fstab.This is what I did years ago to one of my own systems, although I don't know anything about Timeshift and how it requires things to be set up (I have my own backup scripts that are run by cron). I could have just snapshotted the btrfs root directly for snapshots, but I wanted the snapshots to be cleanly separated from the subvolume used as the Linux VFS root (except when I explicitly mount them).
you're right, this is a solution efficiently using the btrfs features. thank you
Me when I converted to btrfs from ext4. I went in blind and had no idea about sub volumes.
I need it because of Timeshift, it works with subvolumes only.
Same.
I thought the flexibility of BTRFS was that you could basically always add subvolumes. Shows what I know.
Yes, you can. But the usual setup is to have a file system root that is nothing but subvolumes, which you can then use and mount basically as if they were independent partitions. But when you don't create a root subvolume for your system root first, you install the system directly on the file system root alongside created subvolumes. This tends to get messy as strictly speaking the file system root is a subvolume, too. So now you have that with your system installed and all other subvolumes nested inside it.
Yes. Usually the OS installer takes care of creating a root and home subvolume. Except Arch and similar barebones installer have instructions in the wiki.
Mint automatically creates a @home sub volume if you install your root in a Btrfs partition. Just saying.
Yeah, Ubuntu does it as well. But other distros not based on Ubuntu, don't.
Well, openSUSE did it long before everyone else. So, Debian, Fedora, Arch?
I would kind of be surprised by Fedora, too, as I thought, they shipped out-of-the-box automatic snapshotting, but the comment from @bruhduh@lemmy.world sounds like that is still a problem...
I use btrfs. Is there a reason I'd want subvolumes? What are they for? Why not just use partitions?
Snapshot software works with subvolumes, not with partitions.
Fedora be like) i broke my recent fedora installation because of that, installed fedora 38 two months ago, made sub volumes, updated to 39, and it broke, and locked up whole ssd with it, had to recover data
My most recent version of this was symlinking SSL Certs before building Nix packages, a simple task I just kept forgetting to and was then greeted by errors.
Hold on a minute. I can do subvolumes without partitioning?
Yep, you just add/remove them with btrfs tools.
A single btrfs partition on a drive with multiple subvolumes is the way to go.
