Dismissing good advice because the person who gave it to you has flaws is the epitome of logical behavior!
Let's assume I didn't know about vaccines and I went to ask for advice to someone. How would I know if what they told me was good advice?
I would ask myself, are they an authority on the subject? Where do they draw the advice from? Who says they are an authority? What did they have to do to earn that authority? Do other authorities say the same?
Are mormons authorities on logic? Why trust advice about logic from someone that doesn't follow logic?
A liar can say that lying is bad. A killer can say that killing is bad. It just so happens that the advice is good, in spite of who said it.
Wow Reddit really did migrate here
Yes, how dare I punch down on the poor Mormon Church!
Ah yes, makes 100 bln dollar profit illegally and tax free, pay 5m fee as punishment. What a fucking joke.
I never accused you of punching down lol
And not just any reddit, but 2010 reddit – in both the best and the worst ways.
I think it’s pretty logical to outwardly seem like a Mormon in Utah, so I guess it depends.
As someone who has worked with and for Mormons, it's a special kind of hell. Usually some flavor of narcissist stunted at a middle-school level of inward development.
The gaslighting-with-the-biggest-smile-and-softest-words is too fucking real. It actually boggles me when I see how others fall for it
Spot on. I'm currently trying to get out of Utah, so it's all too painfully real.
That is bigoted thing to say
Nothing will make you more anti-Mormon than getting to know some Mormons.
It's accurate thing to say.
I've known some really nice Mormons, but if you dig below the surface, they have a lot of crazy ideas. A lot.
Actually, mormons think they are very logical. I've seen many instances of people talking about how Brandon Sanderson being Mormon is why he's so thorough at world building.
Does he write his world building on golden plates?
Perhaps he dictates his stories using a seer stone while staring into a hat?
dum dum dum dum dum
The flaw of the meme isn't that it's picking on religion, the flaw of it is that it assumes illogical views negate logical views. Believing that angels hid golden plates in New England doesn't negate good looks at a P&L in the same way that a Christian working at NASA that believes a dude rose from the dead doesn't negate good math to get a satellite into space. In the same way that me being agnostic doesn't mean I'm always logical and rational in every situation.
A slightly different hot take:
Professing to be a mormon is a logical decision if your culture is mormon.
Disinterest in pursuing a more empirical world view is not illogical if one would have to damage their relationship with those closest to them in its pursuit.
(Sorry about the pretentiousness of that (and this) sentence, I can't find a more vernacular way of expressing these ideas succinctly).
What you said (and such defenses of religion) makes me think: If I see someone ready to jump off a bridge, and I can stop them against their will, should I? I mean, inside their brain they are ending their suffering. They don't see value in life. But I do. Whose worldview is more important?
What if it was drugs, should I stop them? What if it was drinking every weekend? What if it was refusing to go outside without a mask in the middle of a pandemic?
What if it was following the cult of their parents, which encourages abuse & discrimination of women, opression of minorities, supression & regression of scientific advances and further indoctrination of future generations? If I have the power to get someone out of their cult against their will, should I?
Or what if it was continuing to feed a system that brainwashes people into thinking that monetary gain is what's important in life, that the system is infallible, and no alternatives exist?
Should we act against what we perceive as wrong, even if it's against the will of other persons? Where do we draw the line? Who decides what is right and what is wrong?
Following my first example, it is logical that a person that sees no value in life would want to commit suicide. It is logical to want to end one's suffering. It would be illogical for them to continue living a life of misery and suffering. It would be illogical for them to expect changes for the better, given their past experiences.
So why do we stop suicides? Why do we prevent them? Isn't it logical for such person to commit suicide?
If that was pretentious, I must be some kind of stuck up asshole
It's like fat people telling you to eat healthy. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean it's bad advice
Reminds me of the rabbi whose congregation complained about his many vices, saying that he's supposed to be better, he's supposed to show them the way. So he brought them to the edge of the town and showed them a direction sign.
"Does it show you the way? It does. And do you want it to go anywhere?"
But it does mean they shouldn't be taken seriously for any kind of health related advice in general.
Wait till you hear about Jehova's witnesses.
Not that this is a competition, but both score about equally high on the BITE model for identifying cults.
Blood transfusions and birthday celebrations are the work of the devil?
Say it isn’t so!
Fun fact: "blood transfusions"-less techniques are useful to develop in case of blood shortage among other reasons. So Jehovah witness's stubbornness at least have some benefits for medecine. Sucks that it also kills some of them though.
I wish I could stop hearing them knock on my door. They don't just knock once.
South Park pretty much summed it up. A nonsensical religion is a rational cost for being in a family is nice to each other.
Except it’s not actually going to get you the results they claim to deliver…
Y'all take yourselves too seriously
I mean it's damn close but if you continue to zoom out you'll see another point even further away. That my dear is the GOP.
Well, do they believe the crazy bullshit, or are they just an opportunist looking to make connections? Church is lucrative.
How could you be a Mormon if you don’t genuinely believe that Jackson County Missouri is the actual location of the Garden of Eden?
The funny thing is, I grew up with a bunch of Mormons for friends and one teacher I know of, and I never found out about most of the stuff they believe until much later. At least they (the ones I grew up with anyway) have the decency to not go around spreading their dogma to non-believers until they've already thoroughly roped them into their cult.
Most people don't actually know what logic is. I would ask him to define logic to see where he's coming from. Because most people either don't have a definition or if they do it's different than the one the person they're talking to has. But to do that, you'll also want a definition you could explain to someone else going into asking the question.
Boss just wants everyone to take a big deep breath (and pray?) before making a big decision
And taking a step back and taking a moment to see how you feel about the options is pretty sound advice.
Boss says "make logical decisions". Insights like this are why they pay him the big bucks. Not just anybody can come up with such insights. (/s)
My favorite saying is:
Not my monkey, not my circus
Edit: flipped my saying around by accident. I guess I do need more sleep
But Is he a good boss and is he a good person?
Perfectly tolerable as both in my view.
This just isn’t one of their strengths.
If they had the vocabulary, they probably would say that they live by heavyweight axioms like “Joseph Smith was a prophet of God” and “The Book of Mormon is true”. From my experience, it is possible to exercise logic with flawed axioms so long as you steer clear of a liberal arts education (my mistake, lol).
If your boss is a man, it's easy to explain that logically: possibility for multiple women.
How does that work?
I barely have the time or money for one of them.
Mormons don't do that anymore. They do believe that they'll get their own planet to be God over though
