My job incorrectly thinks I'm Native American, should I tell them?
I don't want to dox myself, but I've been at my job for 5+ years. I guess either my boss or I fat fingered something while I was on boarding, cuz just now I was going over some paperwork and.. As far as my job is concerned I'm Native American. I am very much white. Nobody ever brought it up.
I couldn't find an easy way to change it and I'd rather not talk to HR if it's not a big deal. So, forget about it? Call HR?
Spaniard here. I did some remote work with a North American company and in my profile my race was "Latino". I tried to explain I'm caucasian but it was futile.
I had that exact conversation at work a few days ago. Someone was insisting that Spaniards are Latino, so I asked them if Spain is in Latin America or Europe. That was the key to them eventually figuring it out.
I’m mostly Sicilian and Irish but my great grandmother on my mom’s side is Spanish. People usually don’t know where I’m from so just settle on thinking I’m Jewish, but I had people think I was Latino more recently. I’m more used to it happening to my mom because she’s a lot more tan than I am.
I'm Australian and the one that really gets me is when Americans refer to indigenous Australians as "African American" because of their skin colour. They're in no way from Africa or America, but nice job appropriating our native people.
It's like people overcorrecting and using "whom" when "who" really would be correct. Ditto "you and I" vs "you and me". People get corrected enough times to be embarrassed, but still don't have any interest in correct usage, so they just blanket apply what they think is the rule rather than trying to actually learn any of its nuances. It's not a perfect analogy, but I can imagine people just reverting to "African-American" as a no-thought safe bet when referring to brown people.
I believe it’s a legal thing where HR has to track the ethnicity (if applicant discloses) due to equal employment. Basically the US federal government wants to know if a company is discriminating against a protected class during hiring and employment
Europe has a different history with heritage and bloodlines of indigenous people so it makes sense it’s not as big of a conversation there.
In Aus, we’re a settlement too, therefore conversations of heritage matter a great deal. Speaking in practical terms, there can be potential benefits to identifying as indigenous in the form of welfare due to the disadvantages indigenous people face.
An extra reason (or even the main one) is that we have a bad history when it comes to racial registration. The countries that suffered the worst during the Holocaust were the ones that had a registry of the Jewish population that the Nazis could just look into when they took over.
The downside is that it's much harder to identify racial profiling at work for example. It's also basically impossible to see if violence on POC is more prevelant.
You’re 100% free to decline including it on any personnel file or application (with the exception of acting/modeling). It’s also self-identifying.
Consider that as a multi-racial pluralistic society - our values will be different than a European country whose major ethnic groups are the indigenous people.
We have an unfortunately long legacy of systematic racism issues. Communities or color experience slower emergency response times, fewer school resources and teacher pay, redlining and gerrymandered districting, food deserts, fewer public transportation options, and often fewer per capita polling stations on Election Day.
Until race stops being an observable factor for community outcomes, we still have a lot of work to do.
Many organizations see and understand this. As part of their sense of corporate social responsibility, companies make a good faith effort to hire from a ethnically diverse pool of candidates. If all your candidates are white - a company needs to ask itself if that’s a reflection of their own hiring biases or if that’s a systemic issue within the talent pool? It’s good to know these things - because industry surveys are constant - which help local leaders, non-profit organizations, colleges and universities, and governments do their jobs.
Meeting diversity goals is good for a variety of reasons. Importantly in capitalism, it’s good to investors because customers tend to prefer supporting diverse companies. Perhaps more importantly than that, different backgrounds offer different modes of thinking when it comes to problem solving. Crowd sourcing from a bigger idea pool is good for productivity.
Over here (Austria) asking about race or processing this information in regards to a job wil land the employer in hot water really quickly, since it opens them up to racism claims.
I work for an American company and during global meetings when US HR are bringing up race, it feels really weird. Especially when you see that the percentage of white people stays the same and it's minorities competing with each other.
No difference in benefits, the point is for companies to make themselves accountable that they are helping to improve the racial gap among their ranks. You can’t know that you’re improving, if you don’t keep track of the data behind it.
My company in the UK insisted that I fill in a diversity profile covering a lot of what is generally considered highly sensitive information. Well the only mandatory field was the date completed... so that is all they got.
I'm Australian and the one that really gets me is when Americans refer to indigenous Australians as "African American" because of their skin colour. They're in no way from Africa or America, but nice job appropriating our native people.
Fortunately, people of non-European ancestry are treated fairly in Europe, so there is no need to keep tabs if they are being the subject of job loss more often. In the US, people of color and particularly migrants can be discriminated against, instead of welcomed with open arms like they are in Greece, Italy, and France. If there were discrimination in Europe, you could end up with concentrations of ethnic groups in the suburbs of cities like Paris. The people there might protest or riot after perceived injustices, and we wouldn't want that.
As long as you aren't accepting any undue benefit for the mistake, I wouldn't worry too much about it. An error like that without consequence isn't really a big deal. If, on the other hand, they were giving you special tax status or something, or if you applied for a promotion and you got the promotion in part because of affirmative action whose benefit you weren't entitled to, that could be a problem.
Nah my job is terrible I'm barely getting the due benefits lol. Thank you though. I figured I'd have to do something malicious for it to matter, but I've never even thought about this stuff.
what difference does it make now? 99% of white americans claim native american ancestry as if we fucked these people into extinction. everyone i know is related to a cherokee or blackfoot princess through their great great great grandparent....i even heard the same story in my family. once i got my dna test results that said "0% native american" i started to wonder exactly how many indian "princesses" there are. if you change it, best case scenario everything stays the same and worst case scenario you get fired for lying on your application. doesnt seem like a good move to rock the boat.
As a European, please help me understand. Why would you get fired? What implications does ethnicity have on your job? Why would anyone want to falsely claim to be Native American?
I am not an expert here, but essentially certain groups that the US gov was an asshole to in the past are eligible for some additional benefits as an ongoing way of saying "sorry we did a lil genocide on your people."
Misrepresenting yourself as one of these groups in order to obtain additional benefits is likely a punishable offense.
I am not an expert jere, but essentially certain groups that the US gov was an asshole to in the past are eligible for some additional benefits as an ongoing way of saying "sorry we did a lil genocide on your people."
Misrepresenting yourself as one of these groups in order to obtain additional benefits is likely a punishable offense.
I can answer your last question. 1776-1970(ish) it was way better to be a mixed person of Native American decent rather than African American. So if you were ethnically ambiguous enough (a large portion of mixed people) you could claim you were mixed with something other than African American.
You can only obtain federal Indian benefits if you have a CDIB (blue) card, and sometimes you will also need a tribal enrollment card. You would have to verify your ancestry with the tribe to get those. Calling yourself Indian on the forms won’t hurt anything except risk termination if they claim you lied on you application.
It wasn’t done intentionally on your part. Why draw attention to yourself? Just forget about it.
Besides, if your employer did do it on purpose, it won’t help to let them know that you know. They’ll just fix it, remember that you’re a potential troublemaker, and mess with someone else’s record instead. I see no upside for you.
If you only just noticed just send an email to HR. Unless they hired you because of affirmative action then likely it had no effect on your hiring and they won't do anything besides adjusting your records.
I would suggest you forget about it. It’s not that important in the grand scheme of things. Unless your job specifically requires a certain ethnicity which I can’t really imagine what job that would be apart from a Hollywood actor.
Oh man, I have something sort of similar going on. My company apparently appends a disclaimer at the end of our emails sent externally but doesn't show up on our end at all. I noticed when re-reading an email chain with my quoted reply and there was a huge block of text... in Spanish. I'm not sure if I'm even supposed to have a disclaimer at all (could be on by default for everyone) but certainly not in Spanish since I don't speak it. Such an odd thing and also leaves me wondering did someone fat finger something or what the hell happened? It feels especially weird because my last name is Spanish origin and people do frequently mistake me for being Latina (I'm Filipino lol.) Even if I did speak Spanish though, all of my business is within the US so it wouldn't make sense to have the disclaimer exclusively in Spanish.
You have to be a tribal member to get casino money. You can't just roll up and say "I'm a 16th Cherokee, where's mah money?!" Some tribes have even started to disenroll people, which has led to some ugliness.
You have to be a tribal member to get casino money. You can't just roll up and say "I'm a 16th Cherokee, where's mah money?!" Some tribes have even started to disenroll people, which has led to some ugliness.
You have to be a tribal member to get casino money. You can't just roll up and say "I'm a 16th Cherokee, where's mah money?!" Some tribes have even started to disenroll people, which has led to some ugliness.
Unfortunately, some companies (especially if you're working for a small company), will list their employees as different ethnic backgrounds to pass off as being an equal opportunity employer. Depending on where you are, what company or institution you are working for, that can be a legal requirement or add a level of credibility if in the past that has been an issue (if they were sued for discrimination It's helpful to pull up a record showing, they're hiring people with multiple diverse backgrounds). It can also provide certain tax breaks too.
Yeah they could be lying to the EEOC to cover up discrimination in their hiring process. So it's up to OP to decide if that is what might be going on.
I would love to get all these magical free perks people ITT seem to think we are getting for being native. Where do I sign up? Last time I checked the majority of people on reservations don't even get clean water
Why not just ask them to remove the self identification and leave it at that? You don't have to say you or they got anything wrong - just that you do not want that on your file. I feel like that would be the better option and avoid any possibility of termination later for them claiming you lied to them.
That seems to be a question that pops up during the initial application process, e.g., on the form that you submit if applying online.
I can't recall ever being in a position to specify that after I've joined a company. HR and payroll systems have always been preconfigured for me without issue, for instance.
So, as long as you didn't misrepresent it on your initial application materials, probably should just clear it up, OP—to be consistent. Although you're probably gonna be okay anyway if you don't (assuming you're not benefiting from it somehow).