Amazing Cutting-Edge Revolutionary Technological Algorithmic Science Invention
Amazing Cutting-Edge Revolutionary Technological Algorithmic Science Invention
I saw a good article on c/upliftingnews about AI improving traffic signal controllers. It's good and all, I just can't help but think of the "look at what they need to have a fraction of our power" meme while reading it
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Aren't bikes also required to stop at red lights?
Yes, but you don't need lights if there are only bikes. Lights are there to prevent heavy vehicles from colliding. If there are no heavy vehicles, then the lights aren't needed.
So you're ok with getting hit by another bike (or several) when you go through an intersection.
Unless you live in a small town, if everyone used bikes, city centre intersections would be mostly mountains of crashed bikes and people trying to get out of that mess while more bikes continue to pile on.
All green on a large car intersection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIqCei97M74
Intersection designed for bikes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RQrKP9a0XE
People on bikes naturally avoid and communicate with each other non-verbally.
I couldn't watch the first video, all I see is an ad. The second video is not an intersection.
That said, a roundabout does solve the issue, both for cars and bicycles.
Just reload and watch the video. Humans evolved for that speed, which is the reason we don't need traffic lights to avoid people bouncing into each other in busy pedestrian areas. The same translates well for bicycles.
Only once we start putting tons of metal around us, allow for super fast acceleration, and isolate ourselves from our surroundings by blocking view and and sounds, this becomes an issue.
So you're saying bikes going at 30 km/h are the same as people walking. Got it.
People biking at scramble intersections do not ride at 30Kph. Acting in good faith helps maintaining a friendly discussion.
You're right. I was just imagining crossing an intersection at the same speed I normally cycle at, but of course I'd slow down at the intersection, the same way I stop at the red light.
Edit: Why the downvotes? I'm conceding I was wrong.
Edit 2:
Alright, this is actually funny.
I made a few off the cuff comments without thinking it through, while I was doing something else, and was shown that I was wrong, so I said as much, because why wouldn't I? I don't mind learning, right? Who cares?
Well, it seems you care. You care very much. To the point of toxicity. Confirming your reputation as a community.
So from today, I'll make it my mission to troll you. I've never done this, and I'm even a cyclist for fuck's sake, but you're so easily triggered and so toxic... It's going to be fun! :D
I'll subscribe now, let the party begin!
Yes, after you repeatedly spewed bullshit about things you have never experienced in your life, and when people helpfully handed you videos that explain things you insisted it wouldn't show what it shows (and yes, that is an intersection in the second video).
Just stop trolling and talking out of your ass and you won't get downvoted. Easy, huh?
The average speed of bicycles is roughly 20 km/h:
The average travelling speed in Copenhagen is 15.5 km/h for cyclists and 27 km/hour for cars. In places with green wave for cyclist the average speed is 20.72 km/h.
I live in the Netherlands. There are so many bikes there is traffic jams out of bikes, there are piles of bikes everywhere.
No, you don't need traffic lights for bikes, only if there are high speed heavy vehicles. I wouldn't even say it's just the heaviness, it's the heaviness coupled with speed that makes them necessary.
Ok, I need to experience this myself, but I'll take your word for it.
I was just thinking of the normal speed I cycle at when going to work, which is 25 - 30 km/h, and can't imagine that not causing issues on intersections if there were no red lights.
Of course the answer is to slow down at intersections :)
Also since bikes take up less space more can cross in the same time
Yes, but depending on the locality they may only need to treat it as a stop sign (and can proceed if it’s clear) instead of waiting for a green.
Not always (which I'll mention in a moment) but:
- The trivial point was; car wait times are reduced when there are less cars.
- The main point is; even from a bike perspective its not about stopping/not-stopping, it's about wait time. I have NEVER had so many bikes in front of me that I missed the cross-walk signal and had to wait a whole other red-light cycle. Comparatively I regularly have that happen to me in a car. Idk if its a 30% improvement but its less time waiting at red lights.
- Finally, technically no, bikes don't always have to (legally) wait at red lights. This is only a technicallity but some crosswalks, like several in my town (or the iconic one in Japan), we get the walk signal on red. My town is also unusual by officially allowing bikes on pedestrian paths. So bikes can legally cross on red.
bikes dont have to do anything. bikes arent cars they just pretend to be to muck up traffic