We should rename Solar to Patriot Power to make it palatable to the right

By that token, America should have bullet trains everywhere

It’s our second amendment right! It’s in the Constitution! I demand bullet trains
Perfect

And we can call wind farms, "Jesus Farms!"

And vaccines can be "immunity guns". Want to keep your kids safe? Give their immune system guns!
- Keep on going. You’re good at this.
  
  Next, try to come up with suitable branding for teaching stem literacy and critical thinking.
It’s those libtards and their hot air. Let’s use that nonsense to power good old ‘Murican homes and factories
minecraft 1.20.1 java edition vanilla Jesus farm (75 jesus/h)
The sun of god

Patriot Power is real, and it really sucks. It's the solar power offerings through 4Patriots, weak-ass off-brand Chinese batteries & weak, overpriced solar panels. The only good things 4Patriots offers is survival food & sun kettles.

There are plenty of people on the right who would love energy independence, but problems include cost, infrastructure, and implementation. I'm team solar panel/nuclear power, but every few years...the solar panel tech gets way better than it EVER was. So when is the right time to plunk down tens of thousands of dollars?? It's just now starting to get really good.

Wind turbines are also getting much better. And it's about damn time.

The biggest financial problem is energy storage solutions, spend $5-10K per battery, and have it lose 40% of its effectiveness after 5 years?? Yeah, no thanks, I'm not an idiot.

But we're coming up with (ACTUAL, WORKING, COST-EFFECTIVE) solutions for that problem, too. Sand, gravity, and waterfall batteries.

All this to say, the technology is just now starting to get serious traction & legs under it. ¯\(°_o)/¯ It's not ready...until it's ready. The 'greenest' things we can do, right now, involve reducing our usage & upping our efficiencies (via new windows/doors, insulation). That's the smart money.

I just heard about gravity "batteries" that involve lifting concrete blocks to store potential energy, then dropping them to generate electricity with a turbine. It's probably the most interesting thing I've heard of in a while and such a clever way to store energy without needing a battery.
- The math doesn't really work out for gravity batteries. A fifteen ton block dropping 100 feet releases about a kwh of energy.
  
  Or you could just have $150 worth of lithium batteries.
- Yes. And it works.
  
  It's called a Dam.
  
  The catch is we spend 0 energy on the upstream water.
- Timberborn has those, it's a city builder game with beavers.
- there are plenty issues with wear of all moving parts involved. fortunately it can be improved on in a pretty straightforward way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGGOjD_OtAM
- Energy storage is THE issue…. You want to be a billionaire? Figure that out.
  
  Pumped hydro, is great, but there are very few places where it is feasible
The government used to invest in such things for their citizens but I guess a well-educated, fed, homed citizenry isn’t considered a good roi anymore, not to mention adequately staffed public care facilities. Yes i know i heard about what Biden and nursing homes. Funny thing is, that was the norm thirty years ago, and restaurant employees got a free meal. If they worked a shift and other things we don’t have anymore, because regulation is Satan and fu they got theirs, and the dollar went further. I keep seeing blaring ads about government assistance for solar panels but they seem sus.

Maybe see what you find online, but will you be charged for not using your energy provider?
- So here's the deal, in a nutshell:
  
  I'm afraid if I "go public" with my goddamn private solar energy setup, AKA I opt into a grid tie-in deal where I feed my excess electric back into the grid, I pay extra for setup. And IIRC my electric provider charges monthly for the "privilege" of tie-in. And these are just the devils we know about! I take the money, I subject my system & my property to scrutiny from third party companies & my state, who knows what stupid shit they might come up with & force onto me.
  
  The best, simplest, cleanest solution I can think of is to privately install enough renewable energy to power my home. And a robust energy storage system that can power my needs when the sun isn't shining, wind isn't blowing, etc.
  
  IIRC my electric provider charges $10 or $20, monthly, whether you use their electric or not. <=$240 annually? I call that a small price to pay for energy independence with the insurance of an established electric provider able to take over if system(s) fail.
  
  Alternatively, if renewable energy production/STORAGE options become better & more reasonable in cost, just overbuild like hell & go fully off-grid. Discontinue electric service. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's tempting...had a blackout just last night. 😂
- Forgot to address the gov assist stuff, it's legit actually, but it's not exactly the boon normies think it is. So you buy & install solar, with evidence, you document everything & jump through all their little hoops. When you meet their requirements, you're given a 30% or whatever 'credit' on your federal income taxes. Which isn't exactly free money, but it's better than a kick in the head & it's rewarding you for going solar.
  
  Now you wanna talk fucking sus??? All those third-party solar installers, namely, those that "will install for free" or "costs you nothing out of pocket 🤗". Those guys are sus as all hell. They're predatory, they're not trying to help you! Only enrich themselves. Again, IIRC, sometimes they take your gov't tax credit money somehow. And/or they charge you monthly, or they take money/power you generate via the solar panels...I don't trust any of it; you're inviting random-ass people onto your property & they're installing thousands of dollars in gear you don't technically own, and you're pressing your property into servitude until it's "paid off" in 10, 15, 20 years. Don't do it. Buy it, own it, get all the benefits for yourself.
but do you need stored large amounts of electric energy? most of energy use is in form of heat for space heating and hot water, and for storage of that all you need is big barrel with multiple heat exchangers (coiled pipes + baffles). put in heat from solar concentrators, heat pump maybe, furnace and you're good in all situations

problems only really begin if you want to start up welder on cold winter night

other than that, generate energy from solar + wind turbine, top up battery, dump excess in heat pump or water heater. have small petrol generator to service surge capabilities. this will be enough in majority of cases. this is also the logic national energy grids operate on, with the difference that you can't set up pumped hydro storage in your backyard, most of the time
- problems only really begin if you want to start up welder on cold winter night
  
  or try to cook dinner on your induction stove. A good hot water storage should reduce the need for electrical power storage but won't eliminate it

They already kinda do that, at least in my area. There's a company that advertises on AM radio called Semper Solaris and they go hard on the support the troops/vets angle with their sales pitch. It's pretty cringe, but it must work because they keep their advertisements running pretty much every commercial break. Not that you need to try very hard to convince a Californian to get solar panels installed on their roof. "Make the sun pay your entire electric bill" is also pretty effective advertising.

Immigrants don't want you to have solar power. Especially brown people. I bet you can't even fit a solar panel on your emotional support vehicle.

Solar power makes you indepenent. Obama can't shut off your electricity during jade helm 2 if you produce it yourself.

Plus, coal plants are putting chemicals into the air to feminize and chemically lobotomize alpha males.
- Has anyone noticed how the total population of trans people tracks almost perfectly with adoption of industrialized economies? There must be a connection.

You just have to tell them oil is dug up by brown people and solar is made by white people.

I'm sure they can think up a new name for it themselves...

White po--

Almost got me there...
We can take it further... Light comes from the heavens, the domain of the lord almighty. Oil comes from the depths of hell on earth, domain of the devil. Do the right thing Christians, just like you always have, support the anti-devil white people solar power alliance.

Seriously though, the German liberal party (FDP) has dubbed renewable energy “freedom energy”.

Einigkeit und Recht und Photovoltaik.

Do the same for wind power, tell em the blades only kill immigrant birds or something.

It's true. I hear those geese didn't get a visa when they came here from Canada.

The issue isn't in the name. The issue is that a lot of people just don't even want to know what any of this is, and blindly voting for something is bad, no matter how you look at it.

Screaming "woke" at everything is a cultural/educational issue, so I'd rather see resources being spent on that

I.know you meant well op. <3

Thanks. Actually it was my son's idea. Watching the R debate one of the ads was for a solar batteries backup generator... And we could not stop laughing that it was the Patriots power!

We do kinda need to remind people that the founders fought for freedom, fair representation and equality under the law. We are the real patriots, fighting for the same.

Terms and conditions applied, it was mostly for wealthy, white men.
- The job was left unfinished, which is fine. They had no better consensus than we do today, a reflection of how the struggle is much slower and longer than just our story.

I'm pretty sure I've seen "Patriot" type branding for massive battery backups targeting preppers.

For sure, I got one from a family member, the solar panel only put out 15W with no load drawn. The battery was pinched in the casing as well. I was surprised to see it did have proper voltage protection, though.

How about slapping something gun-related on it, like that Black Rifle company?

Or enslaved sunrays maybe?

Tbf, thats actually not a bad idea.

Democrats desperately need better marketing, they should hire that dude. Anyone could be doing a better job than whomever they are using.

I remember when even the far majority on the right thought Freedom Fries was a stupid thing.

Right. I remember my parents being Democrat and a lot less othering. No more.
- I remember trying to always understand those “others”, but in recent years reality intervenes. Just like I always thought I had a good reputation for k owledge, knowing the facts, regardless of my politics, yet knowing facts now seems like a liability in certain discussions

Solar is like Brawndo, it's what plants crave

Smartphone? Patriot Connection Device

Gimme some freedom fries with my patriot panels.

this is not new. wearing face masks was branded as a patriotic duty all the way back during spanish flu (1918) https://www.history.com/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance

Someone's already done it https://4patriots.com/products/patriot-power-generator-1800

Call it Reagan Power

Modern repubs consider his form of conservatism outdated. It's not nearly hateful enough.

This, we need a Democrat who wears a baseball cap and "Totally gets you bro"

The smug holier than that routine is not going to work

Even my Tesla and Prius driving neighbors don’t have solar panels on their roof. The math doesn’t really make sense yet for most residential installations.

Even for people with houses in locations where it makes sense, let alone those with sufficient roof space, it is a massive investment that will maybe zero-out on itself within a decade. And that's all complete speculation too
But those are just facts and you’re using logic. You’re even implying it’s a good idea when the numbers make sense.

I live in an area that’s not the greatest for solar, but it has state incentives to help encourage adoption. The argument is whether to expect payback after 12 years or after 4. I’m not planning to live in my current house in 12 years

It’s also a bit of a misdirection, because wind and solar at industrial scale are well proven to have a strong payback. There are people who don’t let their beliefs get in the way of a good business case, but there are still a very loud minority who will not believe it

I hate that you're right.

It's actually funny that we/they haven't been all about oil independence after the 70s oil embargo. More nuclear plants. Long term research into fusion, solar, battery tech. It would have been so much easier now.

"We should change things so those assholes will be better" boy do I have news for you!

You give them too much power.

Light Power! Light Power! Light Power!

Ha 🤣

FreedomPower

Call it Portable Patriot Power so people don't have to repay their loan for them.

PATRIOT POWER MELTS SNOWFLAKES!!!