I wonder what the actual legal disposition of the laptop is. Was it truly abandoned or was it a "don't return it to the customer; say we're still working on it" thing? How did Rudy get possession of the laptop, and once he logged into it did the laptop did he access anything like email or cloud services (and if so, how is that not illegal access to someone else's data)? Rudy and his lawyer have much to answer for. Dis gon' be guuud.
To be honest, I never believed the laptop was real. The story about it is so fucking bonkers it beggars belief. Epstein's assassination is more plausible than "I had it through the most unlikely of circumstances, honest. But then I lost it. But just believe me, it had really incriminating stuff on it! Even before I tampered with it!"
I feel like there is still something significantly missing from the story. Although, Giuliani does continue to surprise me with stupidity and incompetence. Maybe it really is just that simple.
The laptop was probably real but I suspect the drive was cleared and this is recovered data or that the hard drive was simply copied illegally prior to the repair.
Legally the laptop would belong to John Paul Mac Isaac per Delaware's Abandoned Personal Property laws (25 Del. C. § 4001). He would have a right to ownership of the laptop. That said, the data contents of the laptop should have been wiped (that's customary, not a legal requirement) before the transferring of ownership.
All of that said, 18 USC § 1030 covers the data that is hidden behind a Windows login. Yes you can boot up a system with an unencrypted drive and read the contents of it, but that's circumventing. Now where this and everything else differs, is that in a lot of prior cases a warrant was obtained to gain discovery of the information. In this case, Giuliani just circumvented the login, and post facto indicated evidentiary data.
It's a good question to bring before the courts. Can someone circumvent a protection, find incriminating data, and then after the fact present it to law enforcement? Because we don't have a lot that goes down this road of questioning. Kind of the reason law enforcement needs to be the one that bypasses those kinds of protections legally is because, your average person, can do things that "tamper" with evidence. And with digital data, can do so without knowing they have done so, like last access timestamps and what not.
and if so, how is that not illegal access to someone else’s data
I mean that's the central question of the suit. Which you can find as case 2:23-cv-8032 in the Central District of California. And I can't off the cuff think of a good prior that answers this. And there's parallels that can be drawn for both ways this can go. You cannot just randomly break into a house, discover illegal shit going on, and then report that (I mean you can, but you've also violated the law with your B&E) But if you reasonably suspect something is going on (like you heard a scream from the house), you can break into a house, discover illegal shit going on, and then report that (that is you haven't violated the law with your B&E in some situations).
Basically the case doesn't negate the laptop as evidence in some other case, it just implicates Giuliani into what amounts to digital breaking and entry. Which given the case, even if Giuliani was found guilty the sentence is usually a fine for first offense when the information obtained is not property of the US Government proper. So even if the courts do find Giuliani should have contacted the FBI before actually attempting to get the data, the most he would be face (if they really wanted to throw the book at him) is one year in prison AND a fine.
It is an interesting case though, we don't have laptops screaming for help to justify breaking legally protected locks on data. So, it an interesting case to see what the courts lay down as lines for "reasonable belief that an illegal activity is happening" if Giuliani decides to go down that road. But I don't hold much hope for that, they'll likely argue that the data on the laptop is theirs to begin with, which no court is going to accept that. But we'll just have to see.
The thing that is so weird to me about this whole thing is that they haven't produced the laptop and Hunter's team haven't asked them to produce the laptop. Why?
I read somewhere saying some of the contents on the laptop disk were older than the hardware itself. There can be lot's of reasons for this, but don't be surprised if Hunter's legal team has undeniable proof the contents were hacked and stolen from Hunter and loaded on this repair shop owned laptop in an attempt to make a story national news would cover.
Rudy has admitted to copying the contents of the laptop to his own hard drive. That's a crime. At most, if you get possession of someone's abandoned laptop, you can wipe the drive and use the factory reset laptop as your own. You don't get to copy the data and use it as you see fit, though.
Who would ever take their computer to John Paul Mac Isaac's repair shop after this? The shop had no business looking at the owners data, even if it was abandoned. If it was left there the drive should have been destroyed. It is not ethical what this computer repair guy did and I am sure it was illegal. Can you image dropping off you laptop and having the repair guy release nude pictures of you to the public.
And I don't see how anything on the laptop NOW can be authenticated to be real. Sure I believe Hunter is a drug user and has sex with women-I didn't need the laptop to believe that. But since a lot of people had access to this laptop, people who'd want to hurt his family politically, they could have tampered with it.
Everyone who has released pornography of Hunter Biden are wrong and sure broke the law.
I'm guessing this did little to nothing to his business. You're vastly overestimating the amount of people who are familiar with this story, the fraction of those people aware of this person, and the fraction of those people who would also be customers of this store.
This is great, and I honestly hope he prevails, but . . .
The suit that I personally REALLY want to see, but never will because Congress is protected, is Hunter Biden suing the ever lovin' fuck out of that human toilet brush MTG for making his blown-up-to-poster-size and displayed nudes part of a Congressional inquiry.
If this is all he can legally do, it's all he can legally do. But that **** should have been ridden out of office for that, and by members of her own party. That she is still there is a reproach to the office itself.
Some of the data on the laptop was likely Hunter's. Now, whether it originated on that laptop or whether it was added later to "prove it was his" is a different story.
Similarly, the laptop could have been his, but the "let's do illegal stuff" emails could have been added later (and backdated) in an attempt to "prove" that he did illegal things and that Joe Biden did as well.
The truth is likely that the laptop wasn't real, but some of the data was. It's easy to grab some personal data from someone (say, via their actual computer after it's been hacked) and then load it onto another laptop. Then you claim that this laptop was the actual source of the data and that it being abandoned gave you the right to look through it. (It doesn't.)
The must insidious part of this is that you could mix fake data alongside the real data. Got Hunter Biden nudes from your hacking? Toss them in an "email" that he was sending and then write up another email which "proves" that Joe Biden sold his position for personal profit. The nudes email can seem legit enough that it raises the believability of your "smoking gun" email.
He and Costello have said they were provided the hard drive in 2020 by a Delaware computer repair shop owner who claims Hunter Biden dropped off the laptop the year before and never returned to retrieve it.
The lawsuit against Giuliani and Costello claims they used Hunter Biden's username to gain access to his data, making copies and sharing it with allies such as Steve Bannon.
Last year, Brian Della Rocca, a lawyer for Mac Isaac, provided to CBS News what he called an "exact copy" of laptop data given by his client to federal investigators in 2019.
But some versions of the hard drive circulated later appeared to have had data added after April 2019, a sign they could have been tampered with, according to reports in other media outlets, including The Washington Post.
In February, his attorney, Abbe Lowell, sent letters to 14 prominent Republican media personalities and former officials who had accused Hunter Biden of corruption or disseminated material purporting to be from the laptop.
Giuliani was indicted by a Fulton County, Georgia grand jury on Aug. 15, along with former President Donald Trump and 17 others, and accused of taking part in a "criminal enterprise" while trying to overturn the state's 2020 presidential election results.
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