2w ago

Take the GOP’s Nazi Group Chats Seriously

jacobin.com

Ironic fascism is a disturbing symptom of the Trumpist right’s mounting ethnonationalism and authoritarianism.

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You Americans have a very weird relationship with the ~~second~~ first amendment - and the Nazis really took it as a "free from criticism" amendment, now, haven't they?
Stop giving these assclowns the benefit of the doubt. Stop accepting the "it was only in jest" excuses when they push their agenda. Sartre said it right:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
While he does specify anti-Semite, in the context it's clear that he means Nazis.
Push back on Nazism and stop accepting excuses on why it isn't "really" Nazism.
- The people that will read this don't need this advice.
  
  My dad once asked me why McDonald's even still advertises. It's because it puts it fresh in your mind, and there's always new people poking around who could use to hear something like this. Can't give up putting out good ideas just because it seems unlikely to reach the right person
  
  Nazis are regularly using the "muh freeze peach" excuse to continue pushing their crap and demand to be listened to, or be platformed in general (and not be punched in the face when they openly advocate for murdering fellow Americans).
  In more civilised countries (see e.g. Germany) this kind of shit gets shut down quickly.
  
  The more people read this quote, the more they remember it and spread it.
  Good ideas die when people's attitude is "why write it down when I can remember it".
- I agree completely, but what does any of this have to do with the second amendment?
  
  Nazis are regularly using the "muh freeze peach" excuse to continue pushing their crap and demand to be listened to, or be platformed in general (and not be punched in the face when they openly advocate for murdering fellow Americans).
  In more civilised countries (see e.g. Germany) this kind of shit gets shut down quickly.
False! We must not take our focus off the radical left, surely they will do something or say something bad soon!
Good thing we have a robust history of taking these fascist ass hats seriously, right?….. right….?
- Like taking the literal Nazi marches seriously in 1938-39 while the war was raging in Europe?
They’re pretty clearly engineering a genocide
- We're not putting people in camps! Relax guys, it's a joke!
  6 months later: haha, fucking libs believed us.
"When someone shows you who they are, believe them."
Remember when 4chan and the Donald memed Trump into the Whitehouse in 2016? Yeah....
What people aren't taking it seriously?
Does there happen to be any overlap with them having other signs of being a piece of shit?
Anerican's right wing party are Nazis, it's been Godwined fromed one end of the internet to the other for decades.
Godwin has provided them more cover than any one slight left of center.

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