In Germany, Turkish community in the Ruhr tempted by far-right AfD party
In Germany, Turkish community in the Ruhr tempted by far-right AfD party
www.lemonde.fr
Turkish community in northwest Germany tempted by far-right AfD party
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Every time I hear something about AfD or one of the other far-right morons I play a game in my head: where did they steal this one from? Which part of MAGA is reflected here? In this case: the Latin Vote. They see how the apparent contradiction can simply be ignored and the same rhetoric applied.
BTW, my mom is an immigrant in Germany herself (not Turkish though) and happily repeating all of AfD's anti-immigration talking points.
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Love my mom. After happily living in Germany for 50 years or so she is now applying for citizenship so that she can vote against those fuckers.
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This gives me hope.
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Why can't the fucking media stop calling the SPD "center-left"? There is nothing left left in the SPD, they are really just another neoliberal centrist party with right leaning tendencies, always ready to copy any half way successful right winger's rhetoric and ideas.
That the SPD lost support of the lower classes is no surprise and a direct result of everything the SPD has done in the past 3 decades.
Of course, it's monumentally stupid of the lower classes to flock to fascists instead, especially for people with immigrant background, but the AfD's Propaganda is especially aimed at lower income demographics, and thanks to a whole bunch of parrots in the media and copycats in the "democratic" parties, they are gaining popularity instead of losing it.
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Left, right and center depend on the country. In the German context the SPD is center left. Not because they would have been so in the past. The party certainly moved to the right, but because they support more left leaning policies then the CDU.
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Eh. I'd say it's center right, the c*u is right, there's the fascists/far right and then you have the social democratic parties left of center like the greens and the linke.
Things don't have to be relative in this context either. They're also relative, but you can use more absolute criteria as well. Stuff like "wants no one to be coerced into employment" vs "wants some people coerced mildly" vs "wants to coerce everyone to be employed". Or the converse with regards to social security. Or criteria relating to individual rights. Or regulation in favor of hierarchical power structures vs regulations in favor of non-hierarchical power structures. These would all be meaningful left-right aligned analytical lenses.
I do agree though that relative statements can for certain contexts be more immediately practical. But also, the case of the spd is one where thinking about the space of possible party landscapes is relevant: What if the spd were center-left, in the sense of reformist left-wing/labor movement/syndicalist-ish policies, instead of a seeheimer circle oriented mildly right-wing party? That would present a very different type of discourse in society, i feel.
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The SPD was always like that. There is a quote by Tucholsky saying that about the SPD in 1932.
Translation by deepl, original below
"It is unfortunate that the SPD is called the Social Democratic Party of Germany. If, since August 1, 1914, it had been called the Reformist Party or the Party of the Lesser Evil or Here Families Can Make Coffee or something like that, the new name would have opened the eyes of many workers, and they would have gone where they belong: to a workers' party. But as it is, the shop does its bad business under a formerly good name."
"Es ist ein Unglück, daß die SPD Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands heißt. Hieße sie seit dem 1. August 1914 Reformistische Partei oder Partei des kleinern Übels oder Hier können Familien Kaffee kochen oder so etwas –: vielen Arbeitern hätte der neue Name die Augen geöffnet, und sie wären dahingegangen, wohin sie gehören: zu einer Arbeiterpartei. So aber macht der Laden seine schlechten Geschäfte unter einem ehemals guten Namen."
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You're right, but the SPD also had a brief interlude where they actually did advocate and advance workers' rights from the end of WW2 until the early 1980s.
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It’s not wrong, but was there also a good alternative party at the time? AFAIK, the communists were happy to see Weimar burn, hoping it’s them and not the Nazis who would rise from the ashes.
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Ottoman Empire legacy:
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Or maybe just normal citizens that don't want illegal immigrant around ? I mean, as far as I know AfD (and every other supposely anti immigration Right wing party) want to not have illegal immigrant, they don't really care about legal immigrant that follow the local laws and are integrated in the society.
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My friend, the AfD wants to "remigrate" immigrants that are so well integrated that they have German citizenship 🙄
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My wife is a "legal migrant". That's bullshit they hate her too. They are making it almost impossible to have papers. The issue with people like you is that they're too stupid to realize they're destroying people's life and that they're existence is increasing overall human suffering
Cazzo fascista puta
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Well, you don't really know much then. The AfD is having serious internal talks about kicking out people with a German passport, simply for being gay/trans/wrong shade of white/random bullshit reason. They are fascists, for real...
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No, that's what party apparatchik tell the press but thats juat bullshit becase they're ckwards and not brave enough to wear their racist entitled shitty beliefs on their sleeve
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Romania & Bulgaria are EU members. Their citizens can go whenever the fuck they want within the 27 member-states. Unlike Turkish, & especially the parents of these AfD members, who probably came to Germany undocumented..
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That's what happens when you abolish the stasi. Not even 3 decades later they're back to the third Reich
Germans can't be trusted
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You really think the Stasi (Secret Police in the former GDR, East Germany for those who don't know) existed to protect the citizens from fascism? That's the most outrageously boneheaded tankie propaganda I have ever read.
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I have to say. The way some outlets and people concentrate on second, third and fourth generation immigrants that vote the NSDAP 2.0, seems to me like the middle class germans are looking for a way to blame someone else but themself. The main voting bloc for the fascist is like everywhere else the middle class because they dont want to share with people they view as below them.
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Newer migration competes with established communities for low skill labour, puts pressure on unskilled labour wages, increases conpetition for affordable housing and tipically increases criminality in neighbourhoods typically inhabited by low income families. Maybe, instead of the entire thread dunking on the Turks like fucking racists that you are, people can stop for a minute and ask why are these communities reacting like this. Migration is a serious issue and has toppled many a leader when brought to the fore as a political talking point. Maybe drop the dogmas and look at the data! It's always the poorer that feel the pressure just so privileged Hans can afford a housekeeper and a gardner with his Beamte wage!
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The irony, I swear
Edit: To add, we've had a similar situation with the romanian diaspora in europe voting mostly for the anti-eu candidate during the presidentials. The mind boggles.
Those leopards surely won't eat my face.
Vote Face-Eating Leopards' Party! We promise not to eat your face!
3 generations down they will.
Yup. The Romanian diaspora is simultaneously being treated like undesirable immigrants, and wants immigrants in Romania to be thrown out to protect the "purity" of the country. A country they no longer live in, and have no intention of returning to.