Indonesian TikToker with more than 2 million followers jailed after saying Islamic phrase before eating pork
Woman jailed for two years and fined $25,000 for eating pork on TikTok in Indonesia
250,000,000 IDR = 16,250 USD
Wtf
Religion is a disease on humanity
Religion is nonsensical - anyone claiming supernatural abilities or visions or prophethood today is rightly treated for a mental disorder
The only way to keep people under the influence of religion is to enforce it as the norm. It's like the horse tied to a plastic chair - once you see the reality of it all, you're free
I feel like people shouldn’t be allowed to join until they are 18
If we take it as a contract of the soul then how can a child consent to it?
Religion is nonsensical - anyone claiming supernatural abilities or visions or prophethood today is rightly treated for a mental disorder
It seems everyone is prone, though. Even those who are supposedly the enlightened. Just look at the religion of post-secondary education – promising supernatural abilities to magically increase one's income, even going as far as threatening to forever stricken you to the hell of flipping burgers at McDonalds if you don't give praise to the deity. Meanwhile the data clearly shows that the promises have never materialized. Incomes are stagnant, job quality has declined, etc.
This comment makes me think that psychedelics should be illegal for anyone right of Bill Clinton. "Isn't college a false religion?" Dude just stop...
Meanwhile the data clearly shows that the promises have never materialized.
The data absolutely does not say that.
Literally every study I've ever seen done on whether or not college is worth the money concludes that on average, it is and by a large margin
I agree that there are major issues with the cost of education, but I don't see similarities between belief in religion and belief that education is a worthwhile investment
Seven years ago, Jakarta's former Christian governor, Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, was charged with insulting Islam and sent to jail after citing a verse from the Koran to mock his political opponents during an election campaign.
I don’t see that this is jailworthy, but at least this one might actually be insulting Islam. The one in the headline is nuts.
For a Christian equivalent, in case that helps anyone: Imagine listening to a speech about how gay rights are important, responding at some point with “amen, sister!” and getting jailed and fined for insulting Christianity. “Bismillah” is straight up idiomatic among plurality Muslim populations, like “wallah” is or “oh my god” among christians.
"bismillah" means "in the name of God". It's intended as an observance that a Muslim lives in servitude to God
It becomes habitual to say bismillah before doing anything (similar to "inshallah", "God willing") since it is said so frequently
In this case, doing something counter to what is seen as lawfull (eating pork) and invoking God could be seen as an affront
It’s the commonality of bismillah that’s difficult here. Where I am, Muslims who drink say it to cheers. I don’t know if that’s common in Muslim majority countries though. Here, lots of non Muslims say bismillah, inshallah, wallah, and probably more I’m forgetting, but that could be an anomaly.
Lots of christians consider homosexuality banned by the Bible and “amen” to be inseparable from religion, as it’s derived from an affirmation of belief and is used to certify the truth of religious statements. I gave the analogy intentionally, but my understanding of bismillah could be too local.
I think that "amen" has become detached from its religious meaning in that context and is more just an expression of support. There are even churches that are pro gay rights. To me this is more purposely combining something deeply sacred with something deeply profane. If you imagine the religious right's reaction to a video of someone masturbating while reciting the Lord's prayer I think you get a bit closer to the cultural significance of this act.
I’m not Indonesian or Muslim, so I may have overstepped.
In my area, which has a large Muslim population, it is said by observant and non observant Muslims, as well as by non Muslims who hang in Muslim circles frequently. To the point that people say it when they cheers with alcohol. Where I am, it seems to be about as disconnected from true religious expression as wallah is. Perhaps that’s the sort of thing that happens more with a diaspora group, or I’m just surrounded by blasphemers.
Should I stop saying it in case I offend more religious Muslims?
Why is it important that she has a lot of followers on tiktok?
According to the article, the law is about spreading blasphemy. It doesn't say whether committing blasphemy is sufficient on its own, so the number of followers may have been instrumental in the charging, conviction, or sentencing.
It's also possible that it was merely showing that being famous is no protection.
I guess because she has a bigger reach than the imam who accused her. He was probably jealous.
I hate religion and overly religious people.. you are ruining the planet.