Protestation
Protestation
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Totally baloney... with a little exception. It's true, that a welfare state culls some of the reasons to make an uprising. But a welfare state doesn't take away any ability to self organize, or ability to work with each other.
A true welfare state would promote innovation and aspiration at the bottom. But a welfare state created to shut the protests down, would have welfare with demands. Like if you get welfare you should spend all your time looking for work, and you can't earn anything, and your help will only be enough to survive.
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This meme is pretty clearly referring to capitalist welfare states, and not welfare in general. Welfare under socialism is different from under capitalism in purpose and structure.
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Clearly? Where is it clear? This meme is attacking welfare states, to thr harm of those who needs it.
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@Ardens Every welfare state has those demands. Welfare states aren't some hypothetical.
And as said, socialist countries have welfare. They also have near-100% employment rates, don't believe labour to be a commodity, and their welfare is very different from welfare states, which are a capitalist phenomenon, and will never be the utopian notion of a system built to let underemployed people thrive.
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Wut?
@Archangel1313 The welfare state was the capitalist's answer to working class organization and its victory in the Soviet Union. It was a concession and therefore a means of control. It's also an alarming sign that capitalism seems to believe it no longer needs it.
That contradicts most of 20th century history. The welfare state was implemented because of Capitalism's failures during the great depression. After the stock market crash in the late 1920's, so many people were left out of work, that the government needed to step in and not only start providing people with guaranteed employment, but also subsidize those that couldn't be employed. This was also when they implemented social security and began implementing universal healthcare systems to pay for people's medical care.
This was largely paid for by historically high taxes on the very same people that caused the financial crisis in the first place.
Capitalists have never approved of these programs. They were forced to provide for people who weren't working. To them, that's the equivalent of theft. It's the entire reason they have been trying so hard to dismantle the welfare state, ever since...and abolish the tax system that funds it. As far as they're concerned, if you can't afford to pay for these services at market value, you deserve to starve and/or die untreated.
@Comrade Ferret The fact that I can say this in a supposedly communist forum and have as many people upvoting it as downvoting it really speaks volumes about how absolutely fucking cooked Lemmy is.