3mo ago

'It's a paperweight now': Why the Mounties' ban of popular rifle led to so much pushback

www.cbc.ca /news/canada/calgary/rcmp-mounties-melody-philistin-jr-cox-frt-firearms-1.7587818

When it comes to Canada's often tense debate around gun laws, most Canadians likely will not have heard of an RCMP database called the Firearms Reference Table, or FRT.

The FRT is a database used by the RCMP to help classify firearms. That classification determines whether a gun is non-restricted, restricted or prohibited.

Technically, the FRT isn't a legal instrument, but instead just an internal RCMP tool based on definitions set out in the Criminal Code and Firearms Act. But in practice?

"It's both the law and not the law," said A.J. Somerset, the author of Arms: The Culture and Credo of the Gun.

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3mo ago

'It's a paperweight now': Why the Mounties' ban of popular rifle led to so much pushback

www.cbc.ca /news/canada/calgary/rcmp-mounties-melody-philistin-jr-cox-frt-firearms-1.7587818

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My issue with this is the RCMP have moved into de facto position of making rules/laws about what is legal and illegal ... AND THAT'S NOT THEIR FUCKING JOB.
When LEOs are given those kinds of responsibilities, without oversight, it is in direct violation of our Charter and Constitution.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have limits on some weapons. I'm saying the cops shouldn't be setting those limits.
- Can you cite exactly which part of the charter and constitution it violates? Or is this more gun nut, trying not to sound like a gun nut, bullshit?
  Last time I checked, the charter provides you with no guarantees to buy AR-15 mock military rifles that you don't need for hunting.
  "There's nothing we can do. What sucks is that [the R9 MK1] was kind of the last hope for [pistol-calibre carbine shooting] in Canada."
  Yeah, cause pistol-calibre carbine shooting it not for hunting deer, it's for killing as many human beings as possible as quickly as possible. It's a fucking joke that gun nuts think anyone should give one rats ass about this. Because, let's be clear, the problem here is not with banning this gun, and not with the RCMP being the agency banning this gun, the only problem is that manufacturers are allowed to start manufacturing and selling new guns without oversight or regulation:
  "The problem of manufacturers introducing new models to the market based on their own interpretations is at the root of this kind of problematic situation, where the RCMP has to play catch-up after the models start being sold to Canadians," reads a release attributed to PolySeSouvient, sent to CBC News.
  The group said there were many examples of industry misclassifications, including labelling prohibited guns as legal.
  "Which is a huge public safety concern in addition to the inconvenience this causes those who purchased them," the group said. "The Liberals have repeatedly promised to change the process so that the RCMP vets and classifies new models before they hit the Canadian market.
  
  Can you cite exactly which part of the charter and constitution it violates?
  Criminal Defence lawyer & Firearms lawyer - Ian Runkle (YouTuber: Runkle Of The Bailey) has made a request to the Supreme Court challenging for procedural fairness in regard to the firearm confiscation fiasco, given that Justin Trudeau bypassed the House of Commons and Parliament with his OIC, it’s fair to say Canadians are expected a proper judicial due-process especially when it comes to confiscating people’s private property.
  It’s not a “buyback”, the Canadian Government never owned these firearms to begin with, it’s a forced confiscation with a monetary compensation. You know it’s bad when the Ontario Government won’t divert RCMP resources to assist in this confiscation and that Canada Post won’t assist either.
  Yeah, cause pistol-calibre carbine shooting it not for hunting deer,
  You forget about sports shooters and that the International Practial Shooting Confederation exists, which rely on these firearms being accessible to practice and participate.
  Just recently Wes Steven’s had to borrow a firearm from an American competitor just to participate in the competition.
- Might want to see what Runkle of the Bailey has to say about this. He's a Canadian Firearms lawyer with a YouTube channel
  Edit: NM he's cited two comments down the other comment chain in this thread.
I just love that picture of the gun-control advocates that typifies the "scary black rifle" bullshit that they use all the time.
Legal firearms and licensed firearm owners are not the problem in Canada and never have been; smuggling weapons out of the US to known criminals is where the issue lies, and where the violence comes from. But hunters, collectors and competitors get to pay the price for these groups to keep the gravy train going that keeps them employed. If they ever managed to get all firearms banned, they'd have a very bad day.
- Indeed.
- Legal firearms and licensed firearm owners are not the problem in Canada and never have been; smuggling weapons out of the US to known criminals is where the issue lies, and where the violence comes from.
  What causes you to believe that Legal Firearms are never used by a Licensed firearm owner in a problematic way?
  Do you believe that 100% of illegal firearms in Canada are smuggled?
  But hunters, collectors and competitors get to pay the price for these groups to keep the gravy train going that keeps them employed.
  Have you considered that we do not need firearms for hunting, do not need to collect very dangerous weapons, and that firearm competitions are incredibly wasteful because of the resources needed to create firearms, bullets, targets, and the like?
  If they ever managed to get all firearms banned, they’d have a very bad day.
  What do you mean by this?
  
  Never said "never". 13% of handgun homicides and 12% of rifle/shotgun homicides were by licensed individuals for known incidents.
  from https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2024001/article/00001-eng.htm
  Maybe I mispoke about the source, but a large amount are American and a much larger amount are "unknown". Where would you figure these come through, given who our neighbor is and their level of firearms traceability?
  What do you mean by this?
  Did you take it as a threat? I obviously meant they'd have to go find a job instead.
- 13% of gun crimes in Toronto come from domestic guns that were purchased legally at one point in Canada.
  So yes, you are in fact part of the fucking problem. Learn how to take some personal responsibility for your actions instead of crying victim.
The only issue here is that a gun manufacturer was allowed to sell a new gun without having it assessed by regulators first.

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