Most podcasts aren't even dudes talking to each other it's more like talking over each other so they can be the center of attention, I hate the annoying loud group of men half screaming bad jokes at each other trying to be funny and fake laughing
$0.02: much like AM radio (is/was), it's basically a "2nd screen experience." Put it on in the car or while you're doing something else. Most of these do not deliver enough information or laughs per minute to demand your full attention. The exception are programs that are meticulously scripted, narrated, edited, produced, and sometimes acted, like NPR and the occasional oddball thing like Nightvale.
I love Ryan but Emily is truly as snakey as it gets. She will change her position based on whatever show she's on. And she refuses to say on Breaking points what she says elsewhere. At least Saagar isn't changing his position based on whatever talkshow he's on and he's racist everywhere.
Oh, interesting. I don't watch a lot of politics media, mostly just Breaking Points, so I haven't seen her on any other platform. I'll look out for her appearances on other shows. Thanks for the insight!
Maybe try "If Books Could Kill" - it is two dudes talking but they're both hilarious and the episodes revolve around reviewing airport/shitty books. Their relationship/interaction is great.