How much spacing while stopped at a red light?
How much spacing while stopped at a red light?
So this has been annoying me lately; drivers leaving excessive spacing when stopped for a red light. I get it, you don't want to be right on the next guys bumper, you should leave space to escape if the guy in front stalls or somebody tries to carjack you. But 2-3 car lengths? It really bugs me when they do it in a left turn lane causing a back up to the travel lane resulting in overall congestion. Or, if they're first at the light, they don't pull up far enough to reach the road sensors that trigger a light change. I haven't been able to isolate to a specific demographic, seems to be young, old, black, white, you name it. Maybe they're just stoned at the wheel. I'm tempted to roll down my window and ask 'wtf'? I'm in the Northeast US. Has anybody else witnessed this?
When I took my driving test. The correct spacing was taught as, if you can see their bottom back tires visible above your hood, then that's the correct distance.
I got the advice once to make sure you can see the bottom of the tires in front of you. As a general rule, your turning radius tends to align with that. This falls apart with big trailers and snub nose trucks, but it's a good start.
I think this advice made more sense when the majority drove reasonably-sized vehicles rather than the huge trucks and SUVs that pollute our roads now (at least in North America).
I wouldn't be surprised if this bit of advice contributes to the problem in OP.
I don't leave any space
I just ram them
You should just be able to see the ground under the back tires of the car in front of you. That’s the appropriate distance.
So much that it's reasonable.
Example:
A driver fucking up and fumbling the start during shift (for manual). The car could jump forward/backwards and/or roll.
Which is bad.Just care about your own distance as you can't do anything against those other drivers anyway.
Usually this is the result of distracted driving. At a stop light? Perfect time to check your phone! Once the light turns green I give a solid three count then I honk. I'll probably end up shot dead sooner than later but fuck it and fuck those assholes on their phones.
In case of armed road rage, remember that your car is a weapon. It's self-defense if a gun is drawn on you.
I usually flash my high beams first as a more gentle “look up” and then do the horn if they don’t notice that one
Yup, I see this shit all the time. "The sooner I stop the faster I can stare at my fucking phone!" It's one thing I wish was actually policed, cause these people are a menace. It's one thing to risk your own life, but those dumb asses are making it dangerous for all of us around them. Throw in two or more and baby you've got a stew going.
But 2-3 car lengths? It really bugs me when they do it in a left turn lane causing a back up to the travel lane resulting in overall congestion.
This reminds me of one time I witnessed instant karma. I was driving behind someone doing this in crawling-slow heavy traffic, and got to one of those large intersections with such lanes. Here in Australia they're right turn lanes, though that's irrelevant for the story I wanted to share.
So right in front of me there was this car with at least four guys in it, loud music, and an imbecile on the wheel. I got stuck behind him on a single lane road with no means to overtake. He was driving somewhat below the speed limit for no apparent reason and leaving a massive gap before the next car in front. He still left a large gap when we both merged on a crowded multi lane road, and he kept that 3 car spaced gap at every red light stop. He would lag several seconds before starting to move, obviously not paying attention. I honked a couple times to nudge him.
One of those irritating assholes I guess.
Now, somewhere behind me on the lane to the left there was some other guy with a red convertible and an attitude that screamed "YES I'M OVERCOMPENSATING".
We got to the intersection where the turn only lanes appeared, and the idiot in front of me was once again holding traffic as he lagged to resume driving. But the lane on my left, which continued straight, moved just enough to let the red convertible guy right beside the idiot. And then all of a sudden the convertible revved and zoomed right in front and across the idiot, cutting him off and overtaking him on the turn only lane, sliding right in that annoying massive gap he was leaving.
That was the only time in my life I celebrated such a douchebag move. The slow idiot went insane. Started yelling at the convertible, gave him the finger. The convertible was the last car able to turn on that change of lights so the idiot and everyone behind had to wait yet again for green, but I wasn't mad. Watching the car in front of me shake with rage until the lights changed again made up for it. He didn't lag once they went green again.
I believe this happens everywhere. I think maybe some people lack correct depth perception or something and maybe they are overcompensating for it? It is highly annoying though, I would agree.
Also: TURN SIGNALS, PEOPLE!!! USE THEM EVERY SINGLE TIME FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. EVEN IF YOU THINK NO ONE IS LOOKING OR YOU’RE IN A TURN ONLY LANE. No excuses
You don't need them in turn only lanes, but otherwise yes, use the damn turn signals.
I disagree. Mainly for the reason that if pedestrians are around, they might not know the lane your vehicle is in is a turn only. It’s just good etiquette and makes things safer.
Wrong.
Minnesota (this is a state in the US) traffic code 169.19 Subd. 5 Signal to turn:
A signal of intention to turn right or left shall be given continuously during not less than the last 100 feet traveled by the vehicle before turning. A person whose vehicle is exiting a roundabout is exempt from this subdivision.
I recall i was driving with a friend, and he was surprised I pulled up, leaving only a feet between my car and the car in front of me. I asked him why.
He said he grew up in an area prone to car-jackings. His dad taught him to leave that extra space in case someone tries to car-jack you. The extra space is so you're not boxed in by the driver in front and can get around them no matter what. Even if you have to jump the curb and escape on the sidewalk.
I agree that the sensor lights are annoying to deal with, but perhaps the driver has a reason.
I was taught this in driving school. If you’re the last car slowing down, leave a gap of a few car lengths so if a car behind you is going to hit you, it gives you some room to escape either to move up, or enough room to turn out of the lane.
That sounds like some kind of superhero fantasy to me. In what scenario am I about to be rear ended and have enough time to move my car safely?
I usually leave enough space that I could turn into another lane without having to reverse, so if the car in front of me stalls I can go around without too much fuss. That’s like half a car length at best.
I agree it's highly unlikely. However, I've been rear-ended once, and my car got pushed forward the space of at least another car and a half, in spite of my panicked reflex of pressing the brakes as it happened. I didn't crash into anything because I was first on the lane, I got pushed into the intersection.
So yes, you can get rear-ended and the gap in front of you will save you in money and insurance claims bs time if you don't hit anyone in front as well as a result. It will make little difference regarding your ability to switch lanes though.
In saying that, I don't leave this massive space in front of me. I stick to the "see the next car's tyres" rule and if traffic is really packed (as during rush hour, when everyone crawls start stop) I sometimes reduce it to curb parking distance.
You should be able to see pavement under the rear tires of the car in front of you when stopped
That works for small cars with hoods that slope to the ground like sedans and station wagons. It is outdated and useless advice for anyone in an SUV, pickup, or the vast majority of vehicles on the road today in the US.
It should be far enough back to be able to turn and move out if the car in front of you stalls, which should be easy to estimate for anyone who can parallel park.
Everyone should be able to parallel park, it is part of the driving test.
I’m experiencing this daily in Los Angeles. Also people don’t seem to scoot up onto the sensor so the light takes longer than necessary to change (though stupidly half of those sensors are in the crosswalk or even beyond it).
Or worse, people who stop just past it, but not far enough to get the car behind it to actually touch the sensor
I've noticed this as well, first time was Texas in 2020. I'd lived in other places prior and never noticed it. I've sinced moved away from Texas, and the bahavior is a lot less common here. I couldn't figure out why people did it. My theory is, people initially stop at a reasonable distance from the next car and pull out their phone. The next car moves a bit forward for some reason, and the person on their phone doesn't notice.
There’s a light where there is a green right turn arrow. MFs will sit there and not turn when the light is red. No signage says not to turn on red, the rule is the same as any other light. I honk loudly and go around them (admittedly causing a traffic infraction to do so). My point is that some of the people we allow to drive are too stupid for the privilege.
Enough for a person or a wheelchair to move between cars imo