Christian parents let their baby die because of their faith. Now they’re going to prison.
Christian parents let their baby die because of their faith. Now they’re going to prison.
Christian parents let their baby die because of their faith. Now they’re going to prison. Michigan parents who let their own baby die instead of taking her to a doctor who could have helped her, all because of their Christian faith, were sentenced last week to 20 years in prison. It’s the culminatio...
The story began in early 2017, when Abigail Piland was born without any obvious problems. But when the midwife who helped deliver her checked back the next day, Abigail didn’t look healthy. The midwife told mother Rachel Piland to take the child to a hospital because the baby “could suffer brain damage or die if not properly cared for.”
Rachel refused, insisting “God makes no mistakes.”
Days later, Abigail was dead. (Rachel and her husband Joshua then prayed for Abigail’s resurrection. Surprise: That didn’t work, either.)
A medical examiner later attributed the death to “unconjugated hyperbilirubinemia and kernicterus,” both jaundice-related problems that were treatable. Abigail never had the chance to see a doctor when blood was coming out of her mouth, or when she wasn’t eating, or when her skin became further discolored. All because her parents put more trust in God than someone who could actually help.
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Amazing. They believe in God, they pray for their babies health, and when He sends the midwife to save the baby, they ignore His sign.
Do you think God stays in heaven because humans turned out to be far too irritating and self-destructive to be worth dealing with?
For a more serious answer (from someone who still doesn't believe, especially in the moronic sky daddy of christians)... sort of. God kicked humans out of the garden of eden (and his presence) because humans accepted the gift of knowledge.
Just like how most parents aren't going to solve all of your problems once you're shipped off to college, God's not going to do shit for us. We've been specifically told as much, so religous people constantly praying and expecting miracles is particularly hilarous and pathetic to me. Braindead fools completely ignoring their own teachings.
These stupid fucks were mentioned on the Friendly Athiest blog and podcast earlier this year. Look it up. It's a good read / listen.
In a statement read in court, Rachel’s brother, Joel Kerr, said the Pilands “chose their beliefs over their children.” He asked for sentences “sufficiently long that (the couple) can no longer bring life into the world just to snuff it out.”
Monsters. Religion kills. Why do you think abortion is illegal for women who have been raped? Religion.
And they claim "God makes no mistakes."
Well, they are the mistakes.
Interestingly the brother isn't fanatical which would seem to suggest that the husband was the one that got Rachel involved in it.
sentences “sufficiently long that (the couple) can no longer bring life into the world just to snuff it out.”
Now that sounds like justice to me.
Could just surgically sterilize them.
Damn those atheist baby killers at planned parenthood! Taking good jobs from pious christians!
Maybe they’ll find god in prison.
There is a family guy episode about something similar. Stewie becomes friends with another kid from a very religious family. The kid has cancer and the parents refuse to get treatment and prefer to pray the cancer away. Crazy that these people actually exist. Though I can’t say that I am surprised…
We really need them out of our world.
"God makes no mistakes, except doctors and modern medicine."
A just God wouldn't give an innocent child to people like that.
The system will go easy on them, being white, Christian, and Conservative. They'll do a few months. Then they'll have another kid, because bible.
Religion is dangerous on many levels because it is make-believe taken as reality.
This is just one rather simple example of how fucking stupid it is that people still spread and maintain that oldest of lies.
The only good thing about religion is that all the nutjobs believing in it would likely be the ones also susceptible to other ideologies, manipulations and political groupings in oder to be "part of something greater"... and looking at the world I regard the chances of them getting sucked into something that would actually be good for them and World.... as very slim.
The great thing is; you can be a christian and a fascist! At the same time!
Yea, true, the evidence is abundantly there
How liberating it must be to just dump everything single thing on "god's will", and have to worry about nothing, ever.
It's fucking depressing... This isn't even about religion, it's about untreated, likely even undiagnosed, mental illness.
My mental illness works in mysterious ways
No kidding. They’ll do something shitty then apologize to their imaginary friend in their head and move along while the rest of the world burns.
I mean, prison, after all, not the most liberated of places
And it makes me wonder how lonely it must feel to try contact a being that never replies anything back.
Or maybe they feel like it does talk back? I don't know.From experience with these sorts of folks, they take positive things as the reply, and just don't think about negatives. The rare negative that they can't ignore gets blamed on other people who aren't believers, or whatever their version of 'the devil' is.
Is it a good time to discuss parenting licence?
Sounds like a way to prevent "undesirable" people from having children. Just so, so wide open to abuse.
Yea I don't really believe in its applicability too but doesn't prevent me from wishing it in a more "ideal" form despite being very dangerously parallel to eugenics. It is just hard to think of anything else when you read a news about a baby dying while vomiting blood.
But about the topic of abuse, everything is open to abuse by billionaires including law, but we still have them.
No. There's no ethical way to implement something like that. Even if there was, it's ripe for abuse by the wrong administration.
Not parenting licenses, but well funded child protective services. Investigations into claims. Serious monitoring of home schoolers.
As I have been trying to get ANYONE to listen to for the past year, for example, the state of Oklahoma actively does not investigate child welfare cases (except occasionally to take away native or Black children.)
The internal phone system at Oklahoma DHS is NOT WORKING. They have the incorrect numbers for several state agencies, and have been forwarding reports intended for the police to a very confused Hispanic man. This is absolutely insane and should be newsworthy, but no one gives a shit.
You could try reaching out to reporters at ProPublica. Each bio link describes what they cover, so you can target those likely to have an interest.
I think nurses should be able to ideally forcefully remove a child into medical care when parents are this stupid but of course with the current political climate in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if KFC Junior praised them (typo intentional)
Good as any.
What exactly is your plan for when someone without a license is found with a baby?
Straight to Jail!
I've held this belief for years but have been afraid to voice it for fear of being labelled a eugenicist or something
I mean it is a thing which can turn into eugenics with only a little push so there must be counter weights, like life long imprisonment for anyone trying to turn this into eugenics I guess?
I want to say "unforced error", but that really undersells how fucked up this is.
Why would the Lord want you to just let your kid die? Absolutely brainless.
It is because it/he/she/them "acts in mysterious ways"
"acts in mysterious ways"
So say the same people who are very eager to tell you exactly what their God wants you to do.
You need to prove your faith* by letting god’s plan happen. By getting the human medical system involved, you’re proving that you don’t trust god (hint: I don’t).
- but asking god to prove its existence is unacceptable
Because if he wanted the kid to survive, he would make it better himself.
Yeah, it's a stupid belief.
common christian L
Man, this kinda shit always just makes me so sad :(
Don't talk about it too much if you don't want it becoming such a widespread story that it gets Trump to pardon them.
Can't pardon state charges
For now. The orange shit stain gets what he wants.
Crazy how broad and vague the term "Christian" is. Covers people who pretty much act like me, to these people. And they don't really have anything in common.
I'm more Christian than most Christians I know and I'm an anti-theist.
Please spread common sense to your Christian buddies. They've been lacking in that department for decades.
I mean I don't live in the USA, so these extremes are way toned down here. But yeah, I'm always talking to people and I'll tell them science is the method for truth, and it's important to think. (And to oppose immoral acts, like killing your children... And this isn't even a controversy amongst sane people 😅)
Millennia.
Great. Add their incarceration to our collective expenses the ruling class hands down. 🤮
If killing a child =/= execution, what hope is there for the politicians culpable for far worse? Hand-wringing pansies. 🖕🏼
Good