4w ago

Fans slam The Alters after discovering evidence of undisclosed gen AI in images, text, and translation

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4w ago

Fans slam The Alters after discovering evidence of undisclosed gen AI in images, text, and translation

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4w ago

Fans slam The Alters after discovering evidence of undisclosed gen AI in images, text, and translation

www.eurogamer.net /fans-slam-the-alters-after-discovering-evidence-of-undisclosed-gen-ai-in-images-text-and-translation

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"like it or not, gen AI is becoming an invaluable tool for developers"..
..who wish to take a dump on their work.
- Super weird take, honestly. Procedurally generated content gets no hate, despite it being janky dogshit, too.
  EDIT: lol your downvotes don't make your opinion more consistent
  
  You must be young. proc gen used to get tons of hate in the 2010 and such era, gamers complained about devs being lazy and not being willing to actually make levels/worlds/dungeons/whatever. This complaint was of course inconsistently applied.
  These days people mostly just got used to it as normal. In 10 or 20 years, I'd wager the same will be true of gen ai.
  
  There’s more than one argument against generative AI being used in games, and they don’t all apply to proc gen content. It’s an apples to oranges comparison in most cases.
  
  Ita because you are still putting in the work to license or produce the individual parts used in procedural generation rather than using people's work without pay or permpermission.
  
  Edit to clarify: what I meant was, if you don't understand why procedural generation is acceptable, and generative AI is not, you are not qualified to have an opinion on the subject. Leaving the original text for context.
  If you don't know the difference between procedural generation and generative AI, you are not qualified to have an opinion on the subject
  
  Like procedural generation, generative assets that are done well will be either indistinguishable from hand work, likely because there will be some involved, or will be incorporated in a way that they mesh well with everything else.
  Everyone hated the procedural generation in no man's sky, for example, until enough work was done to make that just a piece of the game.
  
  Love and hate are subjective opinions, so of course they're unfair.
  And so are upvotes/downvotes.
- It will be used as a tool in pre-production and early stages of asset creation and no one will notice afterwards.
  
  You're expecting it to be used responsibly when we ourselves in general are very lacking in that department.
  This here is a very good example of the actual use that will happen. A rush job to meet unrealistic deadlines. And that's what will happen as is the norm.
From the article:
Danilov posited that the mistake was either the work of a "careless translator taking shortcuts", or it was "done by someone on the dev/publisher side who couldn't be arsed sending last-minute missing lines for translation and decided to throw them in a random LLM without oversight".
Handong Ryu, who handled the Korean translation for the game, replied: "I was responsible for translating the vast majority of the Korean version of The Alters. Unfortunately, the same issue exists in the Korean version as well, which makes it more likely that the second scenario you mentioned is closer to the truth.
Sounds like this text was either added late in development or simply overlooked until after the last set of translation work had been completed, so the devs decided to let an LLM do it rather than getting billed for another batch of localisation.
Very dumb, especially as this puts them in direct violation of the Steam AI disclosure policy, but given the context I guess they figured no one would notice.
- I have done translations and even for my own language I often use an LLM. It's the one thing they are actually amazing at. It's also probably not about "anybody noticing". It can very much be a single developer doing it on their own ChatGPT account and the QA didn't notice it.
  I really don't care about this stuff though. The AI label should be for gen AI and not revising some text or translation imo.
  
  Look at the salty downvotes
- They could have used Google translate for these short last minute additions, and not a single fuck would probably notice. I hate this stupid overconfidence in AI.
  
  Google Translate also uses an AI model.
"You're not actually supposed to read that text so this is not an issue." Good job missing the point.
That's kinda sloppy, mainly in the disclosure and translation department, but nothing that some updates won't solve.
I'm happy to support these devs with original ideas, even while they use some AI in a non-intrusive way. They have done something more important for in my book, which is following regional pricing.
It's stupid how several studios think charging my 3rd world country the same or even more than the US is a good idea. CDPR and bethesda think it's ok, but It's disgusting. I would rather support 11bit.
Damn, I was looking forward to playing this. Glad I read this first
- Boycotting because someone made a mistake? Ok
  
  Boycotting because they used generative AI to make their game instead of hiring writers. Even if this was the only part of the game they used it on (if you believe that, l have a bridge to seII you), I'm not going to give someone money if they couldn't even be fucked to hire some sci-fi writer off of fiverr to write their fill text with it.
  I personally know artists and writers who are having to get jobs at fucking Walmart because of this shit. I'll be less irate about generative AI once we have universal basic income so that real artists can continue to generate real art alongside these soulless husks.

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