Australia wants to force cats to stay inside or give them a curfew because they are murdering so many other animals they are a threat to the country's biodiversity
Australia wants to force cats to stay inside or give them a curfew because they are murdering so many other animals they are a threat to the country's biodiversity
Cats are present in 99.9% of all land in Australia and kill about two billion other animals a year. That makes them Australia's most invasive species.
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Good, should be enforced world wide.
Along with mandatory spay/neuter. Make it a crime to intentionally avoid spaying and neutering cats and dogs.
Oh, you're a breeder? I used to work at a no kill animal shelter. You're the bane of my, and every stray animal's, existence. FUCK you.
Remember folks, adopt, don't shop. Not only is it just significantly more moral, mutts are far less likely to have health issues from inbreeding that will shorten their lives. You get more time with your four legged loved ones
And the pet stores that buy from those breeders.
I mean, if such a campaign is ever completely successful, along with one for capturing or fixing stray and feral animals, there would need to be some amount of breeding of them or they'd eventually go extinct. Perhaps with regulation on both practices that lead to unnecessary health problems (like inbreeding or breeding for harmful traits like squashed faces) and on numbers to avoid breeding more of a specific sort of animal than there exists demand for.
Good luck getting the UK on board, something like 90% of cats are outdoor cats here
Domestic cats have been in the UK for ~2000 years, and wildcats for >~8000 years.
Their only real predators in the UK are cars and dogs, and most British bird species are well acquainted with cats, and on the whole aren't at high risk. Recommendations say an outdoor cat is a healthy, happy cat.
The RSPB (bird conservation charity) doesn't find them a major problem here, but do recommend:
- Neuter them
- Keep them in at dawn, dusk & night
- If they ever kill a bird, put a bell or beeper on the collar
Which seems a reasonable set of recommendations.
On the other hand, the USA and Australia don't have the thousands of years of history of cats as part of the ecosystem, and they have all these wild dog-type-things and snappy reptile things etc, so the cats are in more danger, and the native bird species are at higher risk. Recommendations say an outdoor cat is a bird-murdering machine that's about to get run over by a giant SUV and then eaten by drop-bears.
My Eastern European neighbours think it's weird that we let the cats inside at all. They think they should live entirely outside.
So I guess "different countries, different rules".
From a UK perspective, it seems unbelievably cruel to keep a cat locked indoors. The hunting instinct is one of a cat's main drives, so to take that away is equivalent to removing sleep or food. I understand the issues around cats and wildlife in other countries, but I think the solution is to just not have domestic cats rather than trying to imprison them.
Not everywhere are cats a problem.
They are literally native to Africa and parts of Asia. In most of Europe they have been held for thousands of years and are not a threat to the ecosystems.
Taking Countries with invasive species as a global role model makes no sense.
It's crazy how it's seen as socially acceptable to "adopt" or "rescue" them and then release them to freely roam your neighbourhood as an invasive species.
Aww but lil Spencer was so happy and always knew how to avoid cars before he got run over
There are a handful of kitties in our neighborhood and fuck, they make me so nervous any time they're even remotely close to the road. As far as I know they're all housed, and the lady a few doors down to me said, "just tell him to go home and he will!" If I see him on the wrong side of the road I pick his ass up and put him back in his yard.
My cats stay inside. We've let them out on the deck (supervised) but the rule is if one single toe bean leaves the deck, it's inside time.
Both domesticated and feral cats — like the one pictured above in New York — pose a threat to Australia's biodiversity, experts say.
I know what they meant by this, but I still find it amusing that a cat in New York could pose a threat to Australia's biodiversity.
They send a lot of hate mail.
Well you see, since its owner doesn't properly watch it, it likes to travel. It even travels to Australia to go hunting.
he's a shady fucker that one.
If my dog has to stay inside my property, so can your fucking cat.
*cat owners
And I'm not sure how a curfew is going to work since that relies on cats to give one ounce of shit.
Australian farmers have, unfortunately, had to find certain methods of enforcing curfews on cats. Keep 'em inside, folks.
Simple, cats that are outside past X o'clock get taken to the RSPCA and they're put up for adoption after a week without being claimed.
Australian cat owner here. owners that aren't responsillble enough to keep their cats inside are deadset dickheads. the most my cat sees of the outside is our backyard when I take her for a walk either leashed up or in my arms, and even then her killer instinct is so obvious as she tracks lizards lying in the garden and such. cats are born hunters. keep them inside
American cat-directed can opener here: re outdoor cats - we have so many of the same dickheads here. We have coyotes on a nearby trail that eat cats all the time, you'd think their owners would care enough to keep them indoors but no such luck.
My cat has taken the time to break me in, he's not going to want to train a new can opener and is happy at home indoors.
We have coyotes on a nearby trail that eat cats all the time, you’d think their owners would care enough to keep them indoors but no such luck.
Some people just don't really get the whole taking care of pets thing
Im so mad with people not willing to put down feral cats, the live of a single cat is worth more than the live of the hundreds of wild animals that it will kill in its lifetime? Fucking not, but some people are delusional and only think in the cute cat pics. They say ignorance is bliss
I definitely think one pet is worth hundreds of wild animals. I even believe that one pet's happiness is worth the lives of hundreds of wild animals.
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Buy biodiversity is more important than the happiness of all those pets. Something should be done if this is a real threat to the ecosystem.
I see so many missing cat flyers around my neighbourhood it's depressing, and yet people keep letting their cats outside. It's bad from just about every angle I don't understand why people keep doing it.
I'm one of those dickhead cat owners who seemingly can't keep their cat inside. We adopted our cat when he was 3 after spending a lot of time on the street, and ever since taking him in, he'd constantly howl to be let outside. We tried a few methods like an outdoor cat run, but nothing seemed to work.
We've got a GPS collar (and bell) on him and he seems to just stay super local, like within 100 metres of our house.
We've started to gradually transition him inside more but it's tough. We know it's a problem, but really need help getting him to accept inside life.
Growing up we always had outdoor cats and my first cat was outdoors and the more I learned that wasn't great I tried to transition inside after moving house, I figured it would work best alongside of change of scenery and like you described she just howled at the door constantly and stared out of the window.. I gave up after 6 months.
She is ok with being in at night though so at least there's that.
Howling cats get the water gun. Spray bottle also works. You'll feel terrible but it works.
At the very least neutering should be mandatory and strict controls on where cats can be purchased to prevent breeding farms and suchlike.
Yes, cats are not innocent, but let’s keep pretending that humans aren’t affecting biodiversity and just blame the cats. Australians are among the worst offenders on biodiversity problems and climate change, so don’t worry… I get it.
Are you saying, that, because a human curfew would be out of proportion, a cat curfew is out of proportion, too?
Human petship is by extension human activity, so curbing anthropogenic influence on biodiversity loss might include blaming human pets and thus cats, when those pets contribute significantly (2B animals/a) to biodiversity loss.
Domesticated cats live long, are well fed and are great hunters.
I think the first step is to identify the full impact of Glysophates and other similarly used pesticides, particularly their roll up impacts, then we can start working on secondary effects like cats.
If you take away the cats, rats and mice will destroy 10x more than cats ever could. See Vancouver BC or Easter Island.
Stop having kids. Beyond that you're suggesting human genocide.
I am suggesting no such thing? What I mean is that humans should start doing other things first, clean up their own shit - first reason that there are so few birds is factory farming - overly aggressive use of pesticides killing off insects, machine harvesting chopping up ground nests, land “purchase” destroying forests and animal trek transit zones. Outdoor cats come only in sight because of the one animal kind that does thrive on this: rodents, especially mice.
If cats want to be able to get away with killing native wildlife, they've just got to start a mining or logging company and they're all set.
Cats are just doing what they evolved to do, murder everything.
Murder Everything®
all the other animals in Australia need to step up their game
Yeah keep kitty in, folks.
Hi New York here, we will take all of them thanks.
I'm surprised the cats aren't getting eaten by Australia's insane array of larger fauna.
There isn't really anything here that would prey on a cat. Australia is pretty harmless comparatively. No bears, no 'big' cats or wolves of any kind. Crocodiles are limited to the tropics and most of Australia is not in the tropics. Nothing like anacondas and cats are too quick for snakes anyway. There are sharks but they pose no threat to cats. For all the press Australia gets about dangerous wildlife it's actually a pretty chill place. The cities are pretty devoid of bugs if you live in a flat or keep your garden litter down, even more devoid of bugs since I was a kid (mostly due to massive logging in regional areas and overdevelopment in urban areas).
I would think cars would probably be cats biggest killer, especially in urban areas.
Big if true
It really highlights good at being predators cats are
american police can fix it with one simple trick, pet owners hate it.
Gotta justify owning fully automatic weapons somehow.
Australia has tried that with the emus already. They lost
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Good luck forcing cats to do anything.
Generally they used to live twice as long 2 decades ago. It's more like 4-times now.
