2mo ago

Mark Carney calls for a 'Zionist' Palestine (yeah, he actually did)

rachelgilmore.substack.com

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We need to stand against genocidal wankers!
Hey zionists. You can chortle my balls.
When was this from, and what did he mean by that exactly? The context matters.
He's been way harder on Israel than Trudeau ever was.
- The clip is linked. He's talking about wanting a Palestinian state that's pro Israel and pro Israeli flourishing.
  I guess he means a state that's ok with illegal settlements and apartheid treatment.
  Maybe he means one that'll back up Israel's imperialist and aggressive wars in the region.
  
  I guess he means a state that’s ok with illegal settlements and apartheid treatment.
  Why would he mean that?
  I think it's more likely that he's idealizing a future where Israel and Palestine forget their history and trauma and suddenly become best buddies who root for each other's success because no one is interested in inflicting any more pain on the other. This is a pointless exercise in imagination but it's probably what he's going for with this statement.
Until the majority of Palestinians accept that Israel has a right to exist alongside a Palestinian state, there won't be lasting peace between the two. An incredibly poor choice of words, but the point is clear to those willing to listen.
- As long as israel pretend that the whole land belong to them there is no solution
  
  That is another part of the very, very complicated issue in the area yes. That does not negate the fact that change is required for lasting peace, and it needs to happen on all sides of the issue.
- In what way occupying West Bank and preventing people from getting basic needs while trying hard to deport them from their land do you see it as a fight for their right to exists?
  
  I don't agree with the occupation or Israels current behavior.
- Victimblaming nicely folded into this comment.
  
  There are people responsible on both sides. I will not argue with you about that fact.
- Carefully worded what-aboutism.
  The absolute irony of quipping about poor choice of words... Jesus.
  
  Do you believe in a two state solution?
- The entire point of Zionism is you don't exist alongside Palestine.
  
  The point of Zionism was to establish a Jewish state in Jewish homeland.
- I mean, we're not at the point where they even have a say in it. They're busy struggling to survive because Israelis don't accept their right to exist and actually have American hardware to impose their will with.
  
  I agree, Israel has become a major problem. That does not change the problems that exist on the Palestinian side. Things can be wrong simultaneously.
- Honest question, what gives any country a right to exist?
  
  International Law.
  
  All rights are made up. They're just things that enough people thought were good, so we formed consensus on them.
  Thats not a demerit against them, though.
So straight up he is a genocidal fascist then huh?

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