"You see your honor, they were wearing ski masks, and I've been taught by Hollywood that a group of people wearing ski masks in the middle of the day with a black van means they are up to no good. So I took it to my own hands to shoot these motherfuckers down."
Well. If there's nothing identifying them as an arm of the state, it's legal to shoot them in self defense should they try to kidnap you. You can also say that the law doesn't matter anymore as the US government is flagrantly violating it but that also means that the law no longer has legitimacy as the government is breaking it's end of the social contract. Therefore, normal morality in the absence of law applies which says that self defense is legitimate.
Not even remotely hyperbolic here, I 100% would assume they’re randos gang members or doing criminality attempting to kidnap then murder me, and I’d fight back accordingly. Not even a badge on a neck chain or belt clip jfc covered head to toe
Just the same as if a mugging becomes “get into the van” no you fucking shouldn’t because their goals are now no longer your property, but now your life
There is absolutely no proof that these people are ICE, or any other agents of the state. Do not assume masked strangers throwing people in vehicles are law enforcement. Especially if they don't identify themselves.
We all need to stop making this assumption, and to start encouraging others to also not make this assumption.
Wait, that's how they're actually dressed? They just look like random people. The fact that they don't get shot more speaks a lot about how well behaved the people they are kidnapping are.
I am curious to see how many incidentscome out where there are of ACTUAL kidnappings that happen because some geniuses get the idea to just go grab some people and throw them in a van while dressing up like these ICE idiots.
You want to give gangs a free pass to grab random people or rivals off the street? Make your "official govt activity" look like gang activity.
Wearing a mask to prevent the spread of infection during a global pandemic? It's an excuse to hide your face, you literally cannot breate through it, and it's a symbol of leftist fascism.
Wearing a mask literally to hide your identity so you can physically accost and abduct anyone under the pretense of 'immigration authority' with zero need for due process so there are no repercussions when you are wrong? That's protecting your country.
It would be a real shame if people started dousing these fascist fucks with bright red hair dye so that they can be identified after they remove their fucking fash masks.
Looks like a group of shady men wearing masks intended to hide their faces around an unmarked van threatening civilians with weapons to me. Call the police, maybe hyperbolize it a bit. Make them either abandon their spot or waste their time justifying their existence to the police instead of whatever bullshit they're there to do.
Given what is currently happening in the US, I cannot help but ask myself: Does the police still respond when emergency calls come in reporting that several armed and masked men are dragging people into a van and kidnapping them?
That's a genuine question, and I don't know the answer. But hey, I don't know the answer to the question of how all this can be possible in a constitutional state either.
Americans have tons of guns, why not use them against these fascist cunts? They’re not police, they refuse to identify themselves, they wear masks to not be identified, the kidnap men, women and children, it really doesn’t matter to them. They’re also racist because of racial profiling and they’ll send you off to a prison in El Salvador.
Theres probably a lot more they do, but the list above should be more than enough to arm yourselves against them.
If these unidentifiable people tried to arrest you would you not be within your right to defend yourself with force?
Could you also not get a bunch of mates dress the same and disrupt all of their raids by claiming you’re the real ICE and they are just a group of random strangers
But for real, why is all of this so shitty looking?
Every fascist state I can think of gave (relatively to the states wealth) a lot on paramilitary troops uniform image.
Even mafia or mere street gangs know they have to invest in some style.
USA should try like a foreign-exchange-presidents or something, then after a 6 month semester, boom - ICE gets designers threads, the troops can march, and all the Signal messaging is in Korean.
(Im not sarcastic about the question - why don't the ICE agents need to look "cool" & distinguished? Are they just some sort of in-between militia? Or is that actually all that & I just don't recognise it? They dress like poor students applying for their summer office job.)
They look like criminals with zero indication as to any authority. Not uniforms, no badges.
This nation needs to make it physically unsafe to be in such a state.
If those were medical masks it would be different: my buddy’s wife is immune compromised so he wears a mask when out and about as do I when we’re together. That ain’t this.
They couldn't possibly look more "police officer in plain clothes" if they tried. Generic flannel shirt, generic blue jeans, generic black shoes, a cap, etc.
How can you tell they're ICE? What if these are crafty immigrants pretending? What if another group of masked men showed up and put them in zip ties and threw them in a unmarked van? How could anyone know?
If I see this, I fully plan on asking them for their identification, if they refuse I'll call the police on them. Masked armed men menacingly hanging out wherever they are.
I hope they keep up the masks and flannel and all that other heavy shit through the summer heatwaves we got coming up. They’ll need each other because I doubt anyone will help keep them cool