What do y'all recommend for new dishwashers?
What do y'all recommend for new dishwashers?
I'm mainly interested in how clean it gets the dishes, and how reliable it is. I also don't need or want any kind of internet-connected features.
I got a Bosch a year ago and love it. Super quiet, super clean. But my favorite feature is that it cracks the door open after running so that every has a chance to air dry. I run it at night and when I wake up everything is fury dry, even plastic containers.
I would love this feature. I have an older bosch and it just beeps like every 10 minutes crying to be opened up.
My 5-year old Samsung does this as well. Blows fans for 5 mins too.
Same. Samsung, +/- 5 years old.
This is also useful as a visual cue for "the dishwasher is finished and needs to be unloaded". My ADHD means that visual cues like this are super helpful
It’s crazy how helpful visual cues are for us
I got a Bosch last year, simple setup, no IoT bullshit, just works, quiet. For what it's worth, the guy who installed it told me "I install new dishwashers and remove old ones in the process all the time. I've never had to remove a Bosch dishwasher".
I highly recommend checking out this video regardless of what model you get:
Anything by Bosch, but don’t cheap out. Also, the keypads are touch sensitive. There is no need to press the buttons, just set a fingertip upon them. Otherwise, you’ll wear out the buttons.
This is the correct answer: https://www.bosch-home.com/us/en/mkt-product/dishwashers/top-controls/SHX78CM5N
If you can, try for one with a built-in water softener--that is, if your home has hard water. You'll reload salt, as well as detergent.
Speaking of detergent, Technology Connections reference.
Buy powder detergent. Fill to the appropriate line. Save a crapton of money over time. Yes, I have autism, how could you tell?
Maybe in the US bosch is considered premium, but in Germany is the standard (BSH group, including bosch, Siemens, neff, etc). Their dishwashers are fine, but hard to say if better than others. But their support is awesome, you still can get replacement parts 20 years down the line, and do the repair yourself because they provide decent manuals and there's tons of YouTube videos.
I like the IoT features, they're so silent that it's nice to get a notification when they are done, or start them when solar/cheap power is available.
I've heard good things about Miele, but don't have any experience first hand.
Gonna make myself unpopular here. No to Bosch. Overpriced and overhyped. You pay a premium and get little in return. I installed my own and rather than just connecting the power to a standard electrical connection, you have to (or you have to pay someone) to wire in a proprietary electrical connection box. The dishwasher has a special cable that connects to their weird receptacle. No idea why, helps nothing, adds labor without benefit. Bosch dishwashers do not use heating coils to dry the dishes. They use the residual heat of the water to dry. My experience is that this is not very effective as well as slow. Some have a means to ventilate themselves (fans, mechanism to open door, etc). This helps, but adds complexity, failure points and is still slow. I gave up after my last (third one) Bosch would not clean nor dry properly after it was about four years old. Took it apart, cleaned crud out of pump and bottom end. Came to conclusion that the pump was no longer able to move water at a sufficient pressure to spray the dishes. Was more of a weak sprinkler effect. No idea why it would not dry. It never dried well from the beginning.
I have since switched to a whirlpool (kitchen aid) with a heating coil. One year in being run 2x a day and no issues so far. Dishes are clean and dry. Bought a simpler model without nonsense like wifi, apps, lights, floor projection or anything else. I run one setting: auto.Is a great minority take and I appreciate it thank you. Honestly, I’ve been using my parents Bosch for the last 15 months and I have not been impressed. Granted they have no clue about cleaning out the filter, and even though I informed them, they don’t remember such things. And the dishes are often left wet. Also, no one is mentioning what models they have just brands, so it’s kinda hard to make a determination since I have to assume many different models have many different features, and the guy in the YouTube video I just watched said rather than just having a basket filter some of them have an actual macerating filter that can chop stuff up and that sounds pretty appealing, but I have no idea which models have that. So I’m gonna try and figure that one out.
The receptacle thing sounds like an attempt at vendor lock in.
I'd recommend Pavel. He has an excellent work ethic.
He’s a real straight-shooter for sure. Has upper kitchen management written all over him.
I really like that my dishwasher has a window so I can peek inside while it's working. Besides the coolness factor, it's also useful to see whether any of the rotors are blocked from spinning or something tipped over.
It's not a deal breaker if you get one without a window, but it's really nice to have.
I've literally never seen of heard of a dishwasher that has this, what model do you have?
It's fairly common in countertop dishwashers, but come to think of it, I don't know if it exists for full-size ones. The one I have is this: https://www.midea.com/sg/kitchen-appliances/dishwasher/MDWS-2703
I have an LG, ten years not a single issue, works well, quiet
I had to scroll really far to find this, but my LG was so good I bought another when I moved. My wife thought all dishwashers just sucked until she saw how well the LGs can do.
Surprised with how good the LG dishwasher and clothes washer have been. Will buy more of their appliances.
Our LG washer/dryer are about 15 years old now, still working incredibly well and look new. Definitely worth looking into
I just went through this. I had an Asko for 13 years, was definitely happy enough with it to get another. So quiet! So when it did eventually die I was going to get another one but the prices have jumped quite a bit. The next best are Miele and Bosch, I ended up with a Bosch that was on a super sale. I’m pretty happy with it over all.
The Asko as mentioned was very quiet, the one I had before it sounded like a freight train so that was important. Over the years the eco clean setting wasn’t as good (food left on)so we switched settings to the regular cycle and that was ok. About a year ago we kept intermittently getting an error which was from the water pump sensor so it wouldn’t finish the wash. My neighbour had the same one (the reason I got it in the first place) and her front panel had gone so she gave it to me for parts. I never did end up fixing it and we just limped along until about a month ago and I said fuck it and got a new one. One thing I really liked about it was the layout inside for my dishes. One thing I hated was the sharp metal around the outside front trim. When we went to install it, it gouged the wood cabinet.
The Bosch is nice, almost as quiet and doesn’t use much water. The model we got is made in Germany too. I’m not such a fan of the layout inside but that’s probably because I’m just not used to it yet. It’s got the top utensil rack which I like. The next rack down you can adjust the height which I haven’t had a reason to use but I can see being handy over the holidays. Definitely loving having clean dishes again! It does have internet connectivity but as long as you don’t download the app it will never connect. I also didn’t want that but it’s hard to find one without now.
Get the base model of whatever the consensus on brand is generally. ALWAYS research though. They all wash dishes, usually the biggest problems people have with dishwashers is user error stuff. Like not knowing you need hot water at the sink first before starting the dishwasher. which pulls from hot water pipe, but the water in the pipe is not even warm yet by the time it stops calling for water if you just start it. Same with not adding dishwasher detergent to the pre wash cycle, adding too much detergent to the main cycle spring loaded container, not accounting for hard water streaking and failing to buy a streak/rinse aid, not cleaning the filters or door seals regularly, buying a shitty detergent and not trying others, etc.
Can also chime in on Bosch. Knock on wood, never any issues and no “talk to your dishes from your smartphone” IoT bullshit.
They do have that now, though. The control panel is as cryptic as ever, with certain settings only possible though divination (or a series of unlabeled button presses, I forget which).
But now some settings and wash modes are app-only. Still fully functional without an app, but frustrating I can't use the thing to it's fullest ability on it's own.
Miele, Asko, or Bosch in a pinch.
Some low end Bosch have in the past been Frigidaire or something dressed up as a Bosch. Keep an eye out for that.
I replaced my Miele (2001 build date) this year. The control panel was getting a little unreliable. It still was cleaning dishes (when it started).
Another happy Bosch customer here. Had a Whirlpool that leaked and caused water damage on the floors. Turns out Whirlpool happens to be the most basic level of dishwasher, KitchenAid is their nicer line. Anyway, got a mid-level Bosch and this thing cleans (and dries) waaaaay better than our old one could ever dream of.
I badly misunderstand the question; I thought you meant the job position, not the appliance.
I have no relevant advice for the latter situation.
Do you have relevant advice for the former one?
Emphasize proper maintenance of the space, equipment, and hygiene standards over speed in the beginning. They'll get faster over time but they'll never get less sloppy.
If they get to order a shift meal order it for them the first few times, so they know when to do it without burdening the kitchen and the appropriate price range for comped employee meals.
Make sure both the other BOH staff and the FOH are aware that they are new and the dush pit might get backed up more than usual, and to take the extra time to properly scrape plates and stack to make the new dishie's life easier while they get the hang of things.
My whirlpool gold has been quietly washing my dishes every day for the past 10 years without problems
I like the Beko we got a few years ago. They compete well with Bosch.
We got a Beko double oven and microwave 6 months ago, and I'm quite impressed with the quality for the price point.
Bosch
I love my 6 year old siemens dishwasher. I absolutely hate my tumbledryer from siemens though.
I've got a Bosch (Serie 6) too and I'm happy with it overall.
Just one problem: It doesn't dry my airfryer pot very well. I only got my first airfryer recently so I'm not sure if all dishwashers struggle with large non-stick coated pots.
Also here in the down under they've got a different product line and there are no models that can pop open their doors. IIRC it was Miele that started doing this first so I always suspected if they got into any legal trouble (didn't do any digging, just a wild guess). Considered Miele, just way too expensive here.
Edit: Ours have touch panels tho, so fewer features are locked behind apps. IIRC in the US Bosch has more traditional control panels so e.g. you can't adjust timers down to minutes without their app?
On a side note, I recommend not putting anything non-stick in the dishwasher. The combination of high-pressure, high-temperature jets of water, plus the surfactants in the detergent, all work together to break down that non-stick coating faster than you’d believe. You’ll seriously shorten the life—or at least the non-stick functionality—of any non-stick vessel you put in there. Hope that doesn’t sound judgy or anything—you do you—but the pan will stay non-stick longer if you wash it by hand with a non-stick-safe sponge.
Perhaps it's just marketing talks but dishwasher-safe was literally one of their selling points (Phillips). I hope it holds up to their reputation. The pot is quite tricky to hand wash.
I did lose one or two cheap fry pans to dishwashers. But two or three years ago I got a decent Tefal. It's 'dishwasher-safe but hand wash if you can'. I only hand wash if it needs a good scrub though. Still going strong, and that's good enough for me.
Newer Bosch lock SOME features behind their app. There are literally no buttons for it, you HAVE to have a smartphone and internet and you HAVE to use their app to use the features.
EDIT: clarified that it’s only some features
I bought a Fisher-Paykel dishwasher from a friend (lots of high end brands will give you a “free” dishwasher with purchase of bigger appliances) for $400 and I’ve been thrilled with it A lot of people sell their free dishwasher cheap
Another vote for Bosch. It's one of those products where the premium is worth it, especially if you're bothered by dishwasher noise.
My biggest gripe with my dishwasher is that it doesn’t vent the steam without me opening the door after the wash, and there is no alert to when the wash is done.
Whatever the local small sales and service guy sells. There are a bunch of good ones - but the local guy will know what they need to service more often and what they can get parts for if you need it.
He sells whoever he is partnered with, my uncle is that guy, he will sell you a shitty Maytag
Before you buy one, look up how much replacement parts cost for whatever new machine you are considering. I had to get a new one a few years back because the filter in my old one kept getting clogged, and could not be replaced. You had to replace a larger part that cost almost 200 dollars.