Eight US states seek to outlaw chemtrails – even though they aren’t real
Eight US states seek to outlaw chemtrails – even though they aren’t real
States introduce chemtrail-coded legislation as conspiracy theories take root in some US chambers
or even control the weather for nefarious motives.
Actually, contrails do have a slight climate impact.
Don't they slightly increase rain and slightly decrease UV? The particulate in the exhaust acts as nucleation sites for water droplets and crystals.
And it's not the onion.
Is this the new South Park season?
Stop fucking flying so much then. You could always put those planes on the ground, on tracks. Imagine that.
Do that many people not realise what condensation is?
Without even looking, lemme guess on which states.
Are they the shit holes with low education rates and high rates of rampant stupidity who suckle the teat of all the blue states paying for them but then complain about it?
IDK which states either. But I'd venture a guess, that sorting states by percentage of MAGA voters, would have the 8 states in the top 10.
Geoengineering is absolutely real, and companies are already actively engaging in it.
Don’t be so enthusiastic to shut down conspiracy theorists that you make an equally ignorant claim on the other side of the argument.
I am alarmed at the number of confidently stupid comments in this thread. Obviously didn’t read the article, nor bother to look into the claims. Just ignorant and reflexive denial. I’m not saying I support banning geoengineering (though we do need it strictly regulated), but you all sound just as stupid as the conservative conspiracy theorists saying they’re doing this to turn people gay or some shit.
I really wish people would stop using the existence of geoengineering to offer credence to chemtrail conspiracies. The link you provided has nothing to do with the contrails that we see in the sky every day. You can get binoculars or a high zoom camera and see that the contrails originate just aft of the exhaust nozzles. The 850°C engine exhaust mixes with the freezing cold -50°C air and condenses. In a four engined plane you'll see 4 trails, in a twinjet you'll only see two
You can tell it's working by the number of conservative closeted homosexuals who are trying to regulate genitals with federal force
Weather modification has been in use since Vietnam.
And? Banning it outright is ridiculous, but absolutely we shouldn’t be letting any company who feels so compelled to geoengineer without oversight.
Bigfoot is not allowed at Thanksgiving. Him and frankenstein's monster are still beefing.
As if something being real or not has ever mattered with regards to republicans trying to generate panic over a thing
The "chemtrail" conspiracy is particularly stupid. Like, you've got to put effort into your own duncefuckery to make the moronic leaps necessary.
"Jetliners are spraying mind control juice"
Uh huh, so, where on the jetliner is it stored? The belly is full of avionics and baggage compartment, the passenger compartment is full of seats, the wings are full of fuel, the tail has maybe a little void space, but enough to crop dust entire time zones? Can you show me any evidence of a jet aircraft equipped with such a dispersion system?
Oh they're flying special flights just for this? Okay, can you show me such a flight that obviously isn't what it says it is? There hasn't been a single air crew, maintenance tech, parts supplier, chemical plant janitor, etc. come forward about any of this?
Oh it's mixed straight into the fuel! Okay, so the Vote For Obama juice still works after spending hours to days dissolved in kerosene and PRIST, and then burned in a jet engine. Again, nobody anywhere in the fuel supply infrastructure has said anything about this. There hasn't been a single Youtube video or Reddit thread about "what are my bosses pumping into the jet fuel?"
I guess they've also paid off all the chemical labs that analyze fuel, oil and other fluid samples. Because that's a thing, aircraft mechanics take samples of engine oil and such and send them to labs for gas chromatography. It's kinda cool, they'll send you a report that says "We're seeing elevated levels of tin and copper consistent with accelerated wear of the intake valve bushings." Nobody has gotten a report back from a lab like that talking about exotic molecules ?
Why would you bother using jet airliners for this that fly extremely high? Some of the particles dispersed would outright NEVER land, some of them will drift hundreds if not thousands of miles before coming to rest in the ocean or a desert. Why not mix the Vote For Obama juice into diesel fuel to be burned by semi-trucks, down near the ground usually where you can find people? Or into automotive gasoline? Surely you could use much less of the chemical that way because it's being burned so close to people.
Maybe that's why Big They are so fucking keen to keep Republicans driving big gas guzzling micropenis trucks around? So that Republican areas get basted with Vote For Obama juice.
Oh, also: There's tetraethyl lead in aviation gasoline. Added as an octane booster and anti-knock additive, it's a POTENT neurotoxin that makes people stupid and asocial. The fuel pumps have a big sign on them saying as much. It shows up in those chromatography tests of engine oil...and in fact you can see it. A bucket of used aviation piston engine oil has a dull metallic sheen on the surface from the lead that didn't make it out of the engine. It's not burned in the quantities that we burn jet fuel, but piston-powered planes do fly lower and closer to civilization in most cases.
But you can't care about any of that, you've got third generation fetal alcohol syndrome so you're just scared of the lines in the sky.
tetraethyl lead - if used - is only for piston aircraft, not large commercial jets
Truck exhaust blows away. They can't see it anymore. Contrails linger for a while. They can see that.
They can see planes. They can't see inside planes. Therefore, they can imagine anything they want inside because they can't verify it themselves.
The things they can't see anymore are gone. The things they can't see into contain the worst possible scenario.
And that litter box in schools things for the kid identifying as a cat? The story is ALWAYS about someone else's schools. They can picture a different school. They can imagine the worst scenario in there.
This whole political ideology is an exercise in failed object permanence.
Serious congratulations on typing an actual response to brain damaging shit like this. I couldn't even get past a few sentences of this dipshit theory without just completely shutting down and moving on
dont listen to this guy. they're in on it!
"We already knew that. The microchips are in on the lead in the fuel. The lead protects the chips from burning up in the engine. Why do you think they put metal in a fuel, huh?"
*Conspiracy theory shortcut happens *
Just today I learned that the fuel Cessnas use has lead in it, because the engines were developed when lead was in all gasoline and they have not found it worthwhile to certify all of those tens or hundreds of thousands of planes with new engines.
In fact, I was at a fly-in today and there were several Cessnas that were 60 and 70 years old. no unleaded fuel, and no added ethanol, either.
So in the specific case of Cessnas, the first Cessna 172 to require leaded fuel was built in 1977. That was the year they switched from a 6 cylinder Continental O-300 engine to that goddamn 4 cylinder Lycoming O-320 H2AD engine. Bigger displacement, two fewer cylinders, more compression, required leaded fuel.
I gave flight instruction in a new built light sport aircraft equipped with a Rotax 912 engine. Instead of Lycoming and Continental's 1930's era tech, BRP-Rotax's aircraft engines are basically 1980's motorcycle engines. Water cooled, Nikasil cylinder linings, electronic ignition, constant velocity carburetors or EFI, gear reduction, and they run absolutely fantastic on regular automotive gasoline. No lead.
It’s an issue with machining tolerances of block/cylinder/piston/piston rings, older planes need lead to reduce the piston knock or it could damage itself. Modern engines have much tighter tolerances, but it would mean essentially rebuilding or replacing the whole engine on every piston engine plane. It would be great if we could phase out leaded Avgas but it won’t be going anywhere anytime soon
Let me get this straight. They are going to outlaw... water condensation. They are literally the grandpa from The Simpsons yelling at the clouds. Because chemtrails are basically just clouds. It's just water vapor from the airplane engines condensing in cold atmosphere at high altitudes. Because it's cold up there. They know it's cold up there, right? Right? Imagine being a grown fucking adult and not knowing how this shit works. Go out in the winter and breathe with open mouth. You're now breathing out chemtrails. you fucking dumbasses.
Well if you can see condensed water vapor in open air, it's most likely nucleating around something. And that something is probably the combustion products from the jet fuel. I don't know exactly what those are, but burning a lot of other things can produce a whole host of compounds including Polyaromatic Hydrocarbons (PAHs) that can be rather carcinogenic. And that pollution most likely settles somewhere on the planet surface eventually.
As takeda said in another comment, it might not be worse than more local sources like cars or trains or power plants, but it's very unlikely to just be water, and probably not healthy.
I'm not saying it's a deliberate spread of chemicals and it's certainly not the mind control nonsense that conspiracy lunatics think. No, most combustion products are just waste with no real use. But calling it "just water" or "harmless clouds" can't be entirely right unless you believe carbon atoms can just disappear.
The logic behind chemtrails is that evil governments or the rich Illuminati elite are intentionally spraying specific chemicals to control population. If argument was ecological impact of burning fuel, then we'd have to ban airplanes, not chemtrails. But that's not the argument.
Also it's not water droplets or vapor, it's most likely crystalized water vapor or droplets. Commercial airplanes fly at around 10km above ground and temperatures can get very low, we're talking -40°C. It's literally those videos where someone throws a pot of hot water up in the air outside during cold winter. It instantly turns into a white mist. Hot jet engines, cold atmosphere, burned fuel and vapor during combustion, would you look at that... CHEMTRAILS!
Not to mention weight is incredible luxury metric on airplanes. If conspiracy people think commercial airlines would carry half the fuel on board and replace other half with chemicals for chemtrails, because reasons, yeah, they don't do that. They actually rather not even fill the fuel tanks all the way if it's not necessary for the flight and rather do it when airplane touches at the destination and they refuel it there. Because carrying additional weight consumes more fuel, even if that weight is the fuel itself.
Also all the CO2, clearly we should be banning these flying machines from spreading mass quantities of weather changing chemicals in our atmosphere.
No no, you see, chemtrails look and behave exactly like contrails. They're entirely, completely, 100% indistinguishable from contrails. So now that theyve banned them, you can be sure that all those trails you see in the sky are pure contrails and you've got your local Republican politician to thank for it!
Its definitely not just that they want an easy win without actually having to do anything, do not look at the man behind the curtain!
See the problem is you’re using logic and reason backed up by facts. They need to hear loud buzzwords from talking heads.
Well technically not just water they also contain some chemicals from the exhaust. Ironically those same people don't mind exhausts from cars or coal power plants.
Airliners don’t burn lead and that some bit of chemicals disperses at 30,000 ft. Bubba McSisterhump in his diesel pavement princess chooching up a giant cloud of black smoke directly in your face…somehow cool and owns the libs
These people are fucking exhausting
I almost put this here, but the last part ruined the joke :/
Wait, I thought it was the government that was putting the chemicals in the trails in the first place, and now their making their own actions illegal?
Well, that's the federal government and these are state governments. Of course not THIS federal government, they mean the other federal government, the shadow government. You know the one that disobeys laws, kills millions of people for financial gain, covers up the pedofilia and drug problems of their membership, ignores the Constitution, and is trying to change the world for their own benefit? Well not that one, the other one that tries to keeps everything functioning, root out corruption, and write rules to try and protect people. THAT shadow government. It's evil dontchaknow and these new laws will definitely show them that the states won't stand for it any more!
*offer not valid in blue states, like "The People's Gay-public of Drugifornia"
Florida, Tennessee, and Louisiana are named for working to outlaw chemtrails in the article. Articles like this should be required to list things they have already indicated exist in a small, closed set like this. I want a list of states! Or at least their abbreviations.
Airlines should stop flying to or over these states, to comply with the law.
I freaking knew Louisiana would be in it
You get the government you deserve.
How it used to be a fringe thing we can laugh at and dismiss, at a time when scientific documentaries were also entertaining and enlightening.
This could likely lead to a period of no planes flying over these states, since airlines wouldn't want to face whatever fines are stated in these bills, yeah? If any of these pass, it's inevitable that they'll either be ignored or backpedalled on in the future. I imagine they're mostly just virtue signalling and have no intention of actually passing these laws.
More note worthy would be the planes not flying into or out of those states. That would not only include no passengers flying in or out, but also no products of any kind being flown in or out. This could get interesting.
They going to outlaw dihydrogen monoxide next?
At least eight states, including Florida and Tennessee, have now introduced chemtrail-coded legislation to prohibit “geo-engineering” or “weather modification”.
Happy to hear we can keep the chemtrails for mind control going
another bizarre law. along with, it is prohibited to harass Bigfoot, donut holes are not to be sold and nobody is to cross state lines with a duck atop their head...
I misread duck and lmao
Red meat for the specific kind of idiots who tell anyone who they can trap in a corner for 5 minutes about how aliens built the pyramids.
Ok, what if, and hear me out, they are actually doing this to ban plans and force the reintroduction of, wait for it, trains!?
Nah, didn't think so either.
chemtrails were real for several decades, the US government admitted to dispersing harmful biological weapons over US populations by air without notification or consent in the 1975 Church committee.
doesn't mean it's happening now, but it's silly to pretend the US government didn't secretly drop chemicals and biological agents onto US citizens from aircraft when they already admitted to doing it for decades.
Oh look, it's the Lemmy chemtrail guy! Watch as he refuses to accept that he's talking about something completely different than what these laws refer to.
you think the US government and the 1975 senate committee are "lemmy chemtrail guys"....nah.
you're more than a little off-base there.
would you like to explain yourself or would you rather continue to rely on your unsubstantied personal attacks?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dew#Dew_II
Chemtrails were real. Seems like a good practice to outlaw. It is also possible that legislators are lying about their intentions with this bill, and are instead trying to side-outlaw something else with this. They're politicians, they're evil.
*edit, added 2nd reference from wikipedia