I’m asking as I’m trying to understand empathy and whether it’s normal to get so invested in fake characters, I mean it’s probably a testament to the writers but I overthink… a lot.
This question was bright on as I’ve been catching up on The Blacklist and at lunch today watching Season 8 Episode name “Anne “ and it wrecked me.
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Basically the main character Red has to live a guarded life and for once he let it form and got close to Anne and you could tell shit was going to go downhill and it destroyed me when you think about it from his or her perspective.
For reference I’m 41 year old dude, not that it matters.
Edit: Bedtime for me but back tomorrow to reply to all.
Edit 2: I’ve got 41 comments to respond to. Currently working but I’ll be back y’all.
Yep. I'm a reasonably masculine-presenting guy and most good movies or shows will make me tear up at some point, it's a standard occurrence if the story has grabbed me in any satisfying way and brought me on the resulting emotional highs and/or lows.
We joke around about it in my household because my wife is a mostly femme-presenting woman, but she generally doesn't tear up at films or shows while I'm next to her having what old stereotypes would say is the girly reaction. It's not that she isn't experiencing the story as fully or anything, she can be enjoying something just as much as I and the emotional reaction just affects us differently because (gasp!) we're two different people.
Yup, all the time. To give an example, yesterday I watched DC League of Super Pets with my child and cried quite a lot at one bit (if you've seen it, you probably know which bit). It's a solid movie overall too - great voice cast.
It's not unusual for me to cry when reading or listening to the news.
I rarely cried when watching shows of movies for most of my life.. then I started transitioning and taking estrogen. Now I cry so easily it feels like a joke. But I love it.
I tear up at most movies. It's not a sad movie, but Everything Everywhere All at Once holds the current record for most cries.
Generally if a movie doesn't make me tear up at least once that's a bad sign. At the same time I don't gravitate towards tearjerkers, they can feel emotionally manipulative and heavy handed.
if i get triggered i will have a full body cry that lasts an hour and ill just be sitting there in the seat after the lights come on soaked in tears unable to move it's really embarrassing thanks pixar you fucking asshole
The older I get, the more I don't give a fuck and just let go.
Interstellar - when Cooper is watching messages from his son... Gets me every damn time.
Anyone here watch K Dramas? Crash Landing on You emotionally broke me. I knew they couldn't keep portraying North Korea as good, but they didn't have to do all that....
works of fiction never made me cry in my previous gender, but ever since i started estrogen it's been neat going back and rewatching my faves and seeing how much harder they hit emotionally now
Hey fellow 41 year old dude, I also cry at this stuff. It seems especially pronounced when rewatching nostalgic productions with well written characters and conflict (I will not apologize for crying all the time during Avatar the last Airbender, as an adult man). No, I do not know what this means in regard to healthy emotional processing, it just is what it is. Mind you I also get unjustifiably angry or emotional in other contexts when I feel connected to the fate of a character and they experience injustice. So this might be a general marker for some level of empathy or maybe just emotional mimicry. Thanks for posting, I think this is something people should be okay talking about more.
Edit: I wanted to add this also occurs in other mediums, like video games. Cyberpunk 2077 was like a revolution in awareness for me, but largely because I experience DID to a degree in my life, and it really flipped the table of my understanding of myself seeing what I experience through the eyes of others.
If the story and characters are well written and/or acted well enough to pull you in to the story you can certainly feel empathy and other feelings vicariously.
There is plenty of entertainment that does not pull the viewer/reader in, and you don’t particularly get “involved” with them.
I’d be curious what the line is for most people, what draws them in to a story emotionally to make that investment in a fictional character.
The film Click always makes me cry. You know, the comedy where Adam Sandler has a magic tv remote? I'm not gonna go into too much detail on which scene; spoiler tags don't seem to work on my Lemmy reader, so I won't know if I'm doing it right. I'm just going to say it's the scene where he has an important message to deliver to his son. Gets me every time.
The only movie that legit made me cry was Seven Pounds with Will Smith. I only saw it once, and I tried real goddamn hard to suppress the tears, but a few leaked out. Luckily, none of the people I watched it with noticed, so my masculinity remained in-tact.
I’m asking as I’m trying to understand empathy and whether it’s normal to get so invested in fake characters,
Fuck yeah it is. It's a beautiful thing to be so moved by something that it brings you to tears (especially art). It's what makes us human: we're not just mindless beasts trying to eat and fuck, we're experiencing life to its fullest.
Rue died and Katniss was honoring her, and did the District 12 salute and the scene cuts to District 11 start doing it, then the whole riot scene and it just reminds me of so much of the injustice and tyranny of the world... I just can't stop crying. I wished we have some of the District 12 - District 11 Solidarity IRL.
I actually remember when, as a kid, I rarely cried about fictional stories, or something even bad events IRL.
But once I go through the existential crisis at 18, I started to actually feel stories, like actually feeling it. I ser deaths, injustice, and tyranny. The "veil of innocence", as I call it, completely shattered. The world isn't beautiful, its hell, its horror.
Its actually when you get older, you understand the stories being told.
I mean this really speaks to the power of the human mind. We can put ourselves into someone else's shoes and experience what they're feeling. No other animal can do that that we can 100% prove. Enjoy that you have the ability to care for someone from finding out their story. It's a good and proper skill to have.
I often tear up from scenes from movies and tv. Yet basically never do for anything in real life.
I was listening to an NPR story the other day about how a ton of people showed up to donate blood to save an infant, and only one was a match, but it was anonymous, now the kid is a healthy 20yr old and the mom can't thank the person who saved them. It had my eyes all mushy on my commute home.
Yet, I had a cousin, and an uncle pass within the last few months and while I was sad, and I miss them, not a tear generated.
I do. 25M. For movies, lyrics, stories...
Can be most casual things for most people. But I detected some special meaning and I have tears in my eyes.
I for some reason got more and more emotional since I was 18.
Not sure why though.
I hope anyone has some kind of ideas.
I find this strange since I do not consider myself very empatic. And I also consider word empathy cringe since it is often misused to demonize political opponents.
My first time crying at a movie was a little while after I started HRT. It was Into The Spider-Verse. Dad Morales tells his son "I love you, but you don't have to say it back."
Yeah, I get teary eyed when watching movies all the time. I watched the new Lil and stitch the other week and even though the story isn't super deep, it made me cry a little in the end.
I'm exactly like you're describing and a little older than you (44). Songs, TV shows, movies, animated series. It's a trivial feat to make me tear up at pretty much anything someone might consider touching.
I suppose it's outside of the statistical norm for our demographic, but I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with it. We feel things and we express those feelings when we have them. I'd argue it's a lot healthier than what the statistical mean of our cohort does.
I didn’t for most of my life. Just in the last year, there have been a few movies to just get my tears rolling.
The two recent ones that hit hard were Everything, Everywhere All At Once and of all things, 101 Dalmatians. Just something about the way they’re drawn and the amount of care in every scene made the dogs feel so much more real than modern animation and the sad scenes just cut through.
This is something that gets easier after your first cry, I watched dramas before and all, but only after playing Narcissus I cried for fictional characters; after that it happens more easily.
Hell, now I get teary eyes just by watching the new Anne Shirley anime opening seeing her grow up, I don't even have a kid.
Yes, of course it's normal. It's not necessarily the writing; sometimes it's the music or cinematography that'll get you. For me it's often a strong vocal, as a minimum I'll get goosebumps.
Also 41 yo dude here, crying on movies, nah, I cry on books too, not that I'm invested in those fake characters, rather I take their situations as my own, daydreaming about me in their shoes
Totally normal to get emotional about things that resonate with us. I recently rewatches the new d&d movie and cried twice. Found family stories tend to get me.
Yeah man, all the time, and for the stupidest shit. Everything from children's series to grown-up movies. My wife sometimes side-eyes me for it, but she's not much better herself and usually, when one of us cries the other one joins in. It's become a cute thing between us to catch or make the other one do it first, and I love it. Also, it's a way to teach my little son that it's OK to cry and not a matter of shame. Yes, ugly cry as well. Yes, also in front of others.
For reference I’m a 39 year old dude, not that it matters.
EDIT because I saw it in the thread: Lyrics! I have songs that I can't listen to while driving, because I can't drive while I ugly cry because that wouldn't be safe.
One thing that especially hits me are acts of selflessness, be it in fiction or the actual real world. We have semi-regular floods on the river meat where I live, and I usually try to volunteer to help out with sand barriers. And everytime just seeing all those people coming together in their free time, getting wet and dirty and sweaty and exhausted, not expecting a single thing, just because it's the right thing to do and because apparently we look after one another in this 600k people city... Just typing it out makes me tear up again.
The last episode of season 1 of Bojack still draws a few tears. I remember going into that last scene expecting him to cause some shit and have a big showdown with Diane... but then he just quietly asks for some acknowledgement that he can be good. I think it was the unexpected delivery, but also now how that dialog keeps getting set to lofi contemplative music on youtube that continues to make it feel heartbreaking. The latter is my own fault for clicking shit though.
All the time, but I think I've just got a lot of emotion that I seldom let out, and that's the only time I can let it out in an appropriate way. I'm not too fussed about it honestly.
I don't know about you, but I feel sad watching the grass cutter robots just.. cut grass all day. Do you think the robot even wants to do it? The program forces it to cut grass. It's cruel
I cry (or at least feel a very strong impulse to cry) from good stories all the time. If the stories you're partaking of aren't making you feel something, then I feel as though they're a waste of time and not really well written.
I consider myself a pretty calm, stoic person, but there have been many movies that I couldn't hold back tears. It comes to me when the movie takes an unexpected joyous turn.
Yeah, I do. It just depends on what it is and what headspace I'm in. The worst one was I Saw the TV Glow. It was right around the time Trump got elected.
Major spoilers.
There have been times in the past where I feel like I'm getting close to being suicidal (idk how to phrase it, sort of like a yellow flag thing) and I always just felt like "the writing was bad." Like surely there is something controlling my life and not just that, it's bad writing.
The story of the movie is very meta. The main character is told that they are not in fact a normal person living a normal life, but they are actually a character from their favorite childhood show. The series ended on a cliff hanger. The main villain of the series locked the main characters into a nightmare. The other character reveals this to the main character.
The movie is just already really good and hits a lot of gender things for me and was sort of sad because of that... But the tantalizingly feeling of being able to just escape to a better reality by something so simple as offing yourself is terrifying. It hit startlingly close to a bunch of themes I already experienced for whatever reason. Like feeling like my life is fake and part of a show or movie. And seeing it just gave me this dread. Like those stories where people hear someone trying to talk to them from outside of a coma. And it happened in a period when I was, idk, I guess just extremely pessimistic about the state of the world. It was awful. (Not in a bad way, just the feeling.)
I'm just glad I watched it with a bunch of friends who were also queer and many gender queer. I hadn't even come out to my friends yet about that topic, and I don't think I have either, but I'd seen a lot of people say the movie was really devastating because of that stuff, so I knew going in to be ready. But... Wow. The reality escaping stuff just came totally out of left field and it's not even something I knew to be wary of in content or anything.
I'll close with this. The movie is good, I enjoyed it over all, but that hit like a sledgehammer. Also, I am safe. None of these things are anywhere close to attempts or ideations or anything of the matter.
Not usually but after having kids and getting older more things affect me. Certain episodes of Bluey I have to bite my lip through and basically every Pixar movie.
When it's good, certainly. We gotta grab whatever chance we have to feel things intensely, unless the moment doesn't call for it, before our time is up and we can't anymore!
Only certain scenes in movies/tv shows, ie: at the end of Warrior when Joel Edgerton is holding up Tom Hardy while walking out of the cage match. It doesn't matter I've seen the film a dozen times or more, I still bawl my eyes watching it.
It's funny, I was pretty much in your shoes (who cries at imaginary people?) For most things. Then covid hit, something flipped and damn, I'm pretty sure I've had tears in more movies in the last 3 years than the 30 before that.
Less often with movies/TV/books than music for me, but I'll still tear up to a movie or show sometimes if I don't feel like I'm being beat over the head by the music pushing a feeling than engaged with the story and characters.
I cry depending on how engaging the story and characters are. Also, depends on what’s going on in my life. After the end of a relationship or loss of a loved one, I might be more sensitive and raw. Similar demographic to you.