I'm not a saint, I can be pretty selfish in my reasons for treating people well.
I just want everyone taken care of because I want to live in a society that takes care of all the people. I want good education because I want to be around well educated people. I want healthcare for everyone because I want to be around active healthy people who live to old age. I want limits and regulations for companies because I want clean air and safe products.
It's not fucking rocket science.
I moved out of the USA about 10 years ago. There are many reasons, both big and small. When people ask why, I've learned to boil it down to one overarching idea: I believe we should live in a society where the people are primarily treated as the definition of the society and not where the people are primarily treated as a resource belonging to the society.
Well said
Also, if society was fully comprised of well cared for and well educated people, wars and crimes would be an almost non-existent occurrence. Meaning, I'd be able to go to sleep every night without expecting to be woken up by an air raid warning.
Pretty selfish of me, I know /s
A happy community is a safe community.
he also said he hates charity but wants hand outs from time to time.
I once told someone: "look, when I step outside, I don't want to see homeless people. That is why I happily pay my taxes and am supportive of social safety nets."
I have different reasons like human rights but in that conversation, a selfish perspective was the better way to make the point.
Oh that's a good one. Mind if I steal it for future use?
Sure. I strongly support the usage of selfish leftish reasonings.
Another good one is "look, I don't want me shit stolen, poor people steal my shit. less poor people, less shit of mine is stolen. That is why I support a social safety net"
Obviously in reality, the rich steal more of my shit but that is the next left wing reason of taxation.
Edit: for free education, there are also some good ones. Free education => more accessibility => more e.g. doctors, cheaper quicker healthcare. More doctors => more competition => better doctors and better service.
What "free stuff?" You mean the things I PAY TAXES for?
Everyone got “free stuff” from 0-18ish. Should your parents have itemized everything and given you a bill of $377,567 when you moved out? Started payment plans? The argument here is actually “I don’t want anyone but me getting free stuff and help”.
No, no. See, when your parents are infirm, they depend on your support. It’s a system of mutual aid, from those able to provide it, to those who need it, totally different from any of that leftist bunk.
"You liberals just want free stuff" says the party whose president just accepted a free 300 million dollar airplane.
he goes on to say, he gets welfare in his little rant later on.
If Democrats didn't rig their primaries we'd have just had eight years of President Sanders, and the world would be a whole lot better for it.
They’ll read this while not understanding empathy and think you’re faking being a good person
Classic “without religion, people would rape all they want” energy. We’re being dragged down by a vocal subset of humans that are literally broken in their brains.
IMHO it's a mental illness. “Without religion, people would rape all they want” is a great quote, because most of these people are projecting. They actually would go around raping all they wanted (and with great enthusiasm) if there wasn't some authority to prevent them, because that's who they are. They cannot comprehend people who voluntarily wouldn't rape people even when they could, because they can't put themselves into the head of other people.
It's ezpz for me. Without religion I'll just kill myself. I've been comfortable not existing before I was born, I guess I just don't exist and be fine ya know? But it's that darn karma, I don't want to fuck up my reincarnation cycle and be born again as a worm inside Trump's intestine ya know?
In contrast, we far leftists want free stuff.
Basically, we want to be able to tune the production process of essentials so that potatoes 🥔 and drinking water 🥤are dispensed the way we do napkins, and people can take all they need. And with time we expand the free stuff dispensed to smart phones and rocket fuel and ice cream sundaes 🍨
The stuff isn't absolutely free, and even these days napkin dispensers are adorned with save the trees signs but the price to the end-user is negligible. Sometimes we have to watch our systems for abuse, but then sometimes someone just needs a lot of potatoes. 🥔
Also tool libraries and eventually motor pools that can serve communities who sometimes need gear, but not always. It's kinda creepy how big automotive has us buying two cars for every home and we can't spare government funds for (eventually free) robust public rail.
The 2020 lockdown showed us that people are not turned into couch potatoes 🥔 by benefits and furloughs. (They do couch potato after burnout or due to depression) rather they take up hobbies, many of which become lucrative or are useful to the community. (Community projects were harder because we were hiding in our homes) This led to the Great Resignation during which companies had to offer higher than minimum wage for their bottom-rung jobs.
We've also seen government benefits programs facilitate great movements in art. The whole British Rock-&-Roll boom of the 1960s followed the post-war restoration programs to get everyone who lost everything fed again and back into homes. Then someone threw in an electric guitar.
So it's not bad to want free stuff. It's just assumed that you can't have free stuff if someone else can make a profit by charging, ergo paid toilets and office bathroom tissue pools.
You think anyone who legitimately regurgitates that phrase actually spends time thinking about what it actually means?
It's also not free. I am paying for these things. These are the things I want my tax money going towards. I'm not asking for free handouts, I'm asking for smart and workable application of my taxes for the betterment of society.
that sounds an awful lot like communism, and we can't have that /s
I don't want free healthcare, I want the healthcare I pay for with hundreds of my hard earned dollars every month.
I don't understand how they can focus on LIBERALS wanting free stuff, while totally ignoring that all Republicans/MAGAs want are more tax breaks and loopholes.
If we're going to give the money away anyway, I'd rather give it to people who need it, than people who already have more than they, or their descendants, will ever need.
I want to fucking get what I'm paying taxes FOR. Which is not yet another war crime. US healthcare has us at the worst quality of life, the lowest life expectancy, and the HIGHEST cost out of any developed nation. It's fucking ridiculous. "Uh huh buh where u gonna get the money for hea-" "FROM MY FUCKING TAXES YOU ILLITERATE FUCK" God damn I'm so incensed from having this conversation so often with dumb assholes who don't realize how dumb they are.
fun fact: the USA pays about $14K per capita for healthcare, and the rest of the developed world pays between $3K-6K for universal healthcare. The yankees would pay LESS for universal healthcare.
My SO had started using the line "taxes for schools are going up and we don't have kids in school anymore so we should move". Gets my BP up everytime.
They don't "get it" because they only care for themselves and cannot comprehend that any other way of thinking exists.
It's almost as if the whole "left vs right" thing can unironically be boiled down to "empathy vs. narcissim".
Exactly.
I want the person down the street, who is barely able to pay rent and afford groceries on their min-wage job to instead be able to be secure. I want them to have housing, clothing and nutrition. Free stuff for others, not for me.
I'm quite happy to pay for that 'free' stuff in the form of taxes, as long as my tax dollars actually go to it instead of a billionaire's scorecard.
yup. a severe case of "fuck you, i got mine!"
That's the well know and obvious half. The more interesting part is how they mistake empathy with a sign that someone doesn't "have theirs"
A sociopath is able understand other people have emotions and can learn to fake them.
The right wing ideology does not require them to fake it and it really feels like this is being enabled by the safety net that society as a whole has become, not the capitalist monetary one but the one we're all don't reject people who feed off of the social order.
Basically, there is a reasons these people cannot accept socialism. On some subconscious level they know they would only be able to draw from it but not be able to contribute and that this would out them as exploiters of the social value.
Not sure how well I am describing this but I believe that in past times these people would have been outcasts at best but more likely would have been been unalived as a defense mechanism and the historical record supports this.
looks at taxes and social security payments
"Free stuff"
Who doesn't like free stuff?
Weirdos
I pay taxes for the things I want
But free stuff is cool too
I want free stuff, but I want everyone to have free stuff. All of humanity should benefit from progress, not just the wealthy. How many great people lived and died slaving away because that's just how life is.
Ah, very clever twist on the famous Thatcher quote
There is no such thing as society.
There are individual men and women
and there is the thunderdome
I guarantee you a conservative would skim this and say "That's it! We should build a thunderdome!"
This is the way rational people think. However. You have the "American dream" to contend with. The dream is NOT 3 kids and a house in the suburbs. The American dream is, and always has been, the desire to collect enough wealth that the rules no longer apply.
This is why we have trump. This is why the republicans wave American flags and condone corruption. Half of the American population either is or fantasizes about the possibility of being untouchable. It's fascism, yes, but it's far deeper than that. The American dream is to live beyond governance; to have "fuck you" money.
Trump isn't the cancer. Trump is the tumor. The cancer is the pursuit of limitless success.
Lots of people are conservative when it comes to chipping in then are liberal to accepting a hand out
Free stuff is cool though
Greedy stupid self centered people do not have or understand empathy for others.
Wow, a pfp of a dude in his car with a take I actually agree with. I guess it’s the lack of sunglasses
The lack of glasses means he can stand to look at himself in the mirror.. it tracks!
You guys need to get over this notion that we are civilized.
Best explanation yet. 10/10
MAGAts: "tl;dr"
“You just want free stuff” is just code for “I want all of your stuff in addition to my stuff. Stop stealing your stuff from me!”
They known it's not free stuff. It's entirely PR.
