Without mentioning smartphones or social media, what societal changes have you noticed over the course of your lifetime?
Without mentioning smartphones or social media, what societal changes have you noticed over the course of your lifetime?
Originally it was going to be "over the last twenty years" but I decided to be more flexible.
A lot of discussions about how society has changed or how the world is different always circle around to smartphones, social media, "no one talks to each other in person, they're on their phones always" and the like.
Outside of those topics, what else has changed, by your perception?
I grew up in the farm-y outskirts of a big-ish city. I got to catch lizards and tadpoles and toads in the creek nearby, and we'd collect reeds from cattails and weave them into little mats for fun. we'd walk/bike to our friends house without parents, just yell that your going to so and so's and off you trot. We knew the farmer who grew the sweet corn we ate all summer, and the farmers who had the peach orchard and tomato fields we'd harvest from at the end of summer to can cheap produce for the winter.
The foothills behind our neighborhood were covered with grass and shrub, spattered with bike trails and caves right up to the tree line. There were foxes and racoons that you'd need to protect your chickens from. Deer would chill in our yard in fall eating the fallen Apples from around our trees. Flocks of starlings covered our huge cottonwood trees making a huge racket and pooping everywhere. I'd take a metal baseball bat to our big metal clothesline post to make a big gong noise to scare them off cuz they were so loud.Then a fence went up, blocking us from using the hills, and they started construction on a bunch of high end mc mansions. They filled in the caves, killed the foxes and racoons, and paved over the creek to make a walking trail. More and more deer ended up as roadkill till they stopped coming to eat the apples altogether. Developers bought out the farmers to build more houses, first the tomato fields, then the corn, and finally the peaches were ripped out and paved over. The dairy became a giant strip mall for a Staples, and a Kohl's, a donut shop and a sandwich shop. The road I walked alongside, barefoot, to play in the creek became too busy to be safe for kids to walk next to.
In summer we'd play outside and drink from the hose till we were too hot, then we'd run inside and stand under the swamp cooler to cool down. Year after year it got hotter and hotter till the heat was too much and we couldn't play outside for too long because the swamp cooler wasn't enough to cool us down anymore. In winter we used to make snow men and build igloos with buckets full of snow as bricks, and we'd trample paths into the snow drifts that came up to our hips. But year after year the snow banks got shorter and shorter and the snow came later and later until... I remember the first year we had no snow till after Christmas. The decorations looked so sad and stupid sitting on brown grass instead of coated with bright snow. That's the last year I bothered to put them up. The more people moved to the area, the thicker the smog got in the winter. All the stagnant stinky car exhaust and fumes from the refinery got caught in the bowl of the valley all winter, till the hazy air was so dense you couldn't see the mountains that surrounded us.
The world got hotter and more full of cars and houses all while the people got more stranded inside. Yes by the lure of Internet, but also to try to escape the heat and dust and smog. New neighbors in the big houses would snap at us to get off their lawn then smile like they gave a fuck the next Sunday at church.
Neighborhoods full of community became individuals in houses.
I'm only 34.
We used to take for granted that everybody agreed Nazis and Russians were bad.
Nothing against Russians suffering under Putin's boot. We have a whole new sympathy for you now.
I've noticed an increase in noticing other people being not well, but a decrease in the depth that people care. It used to feel that you might have one or two friends who cared about you deeply. They'd drop everything to help and wouldn't ask for anything in return. Now it seems like everyone cares about everyone but not enough to actually do anything.
In the states anyway, our sense of community has almost vanished. Rather than concerning ourselves with improving society, we have become a nation of de facto sovereign citizens, all of us competing with everyone else.
Even common courtesy has gone down the shitter. On the roads, at retail establishments, everything is a fight. Shove your way past everyone or you're weak.
Hats, almost completely removed from formal settings and now only in informal settings.
People have a much more rigid and accurate sense of time. You don't meet for lunch, you meet at 12pm on the dot. People don't wait for someone for half an hour, they wait like 5 minutes or so.
People talk much more openly about problems and their views. When I was young people didn't really talk about religion, politics, medical issues, and so on in public. Now people will tell you they are on an antidepressant or LGBT+ and be open about things.
- People are way more free to talk about their mental health problems.
- Climate change is part of mainstream awareness, most people want to see action on it.
- Gays and lesbians are very broadly accepted in many parts of the world. Trans people are too (and they are more visible), even if there is also a culture war backlash.
- Nearly everyone hates capitalism. Not everyone has figured out what needs to be done about it, but it's a good start.
- Conspiracy thinking is more rampant, presumably because of internet (mis/dis)information bubbles
(I was born in the early 80s, so this is over the last 30ish years, since the mid 90s)
Kids are way nicer now. Kids in my day were brutal and violent. Most things have improved. People are more aware of dangers to kids now so there are stronger safeguards. Kids are better protected by laws so violence against them is getting less common. Women actually make pretty good money now and aren't restricted to secretary like roles and there's less jokes that the woman is a secretary. I had never seen female ceos. They just didn't exist. Now women can scam the public just as well as men 🤣 There's still a long way to go but things are a lot better. Gay people aren't dying of AIDS as much anymore and people will touch gay people without a problem. When I was growing up people believed gay men might be carrying AIDS and would not touch them. Thanks princess di for your work on this. Racial diversity is so much better now. Like women, people of color did not make CEO frequently. It's still being worked on, but it's gotten better. Racism itself has gotten better, kids don't say racial slurs to one another.
As far as environment there was a time when in the US we would celebrate some new technology innovation or infrastructure innovation. I remember when Boeing released a new plane and everyone was like wow so cool, this is redefining planes.
But we have not had that in years. Our desire to be top in tech or science is gone. We used to want to be the best infrastructure, top of the line water treatment and getting to different space discoveries FIRST. Being part of nasa was a huge dream for many kids to just explore the planets.
Now china has all this high speed transit and we have decaying pipes. In my childhood, this would not have been accepted. China was frowned upon.
Other countries have gotten better to the point they surpassed us. When I would visit Mexico it would be to help build in rural areas. Now our rural areas are further decrepit than anything I saw there back then and Mexico City is a vibrant bustling gorgeous place.
One visit to Apalachia and I have wondered how America got this way.
There was also a lot more stress around decorum. This one was a double edged sword. People cared a lot about how they were perceived to the point of committing heinous acts to cover up the slightest insult to their character or perception. Now, it's more free. We don't keep up with the Joneses on the level it was back then. Being loud or dressing any type of way means nothing. It's all good.
But that has also led to the open and blatant acceptance of things like felonious behavior and led to what we have now. This kind of scandal would never have flown.
But then again, no woman could have ever HOPED to run for president.
There is also a lot more macro interests. I believe the people have more power now. Before, you had to listen to what's on the radio. You had to watch why's on tv. Trends could be fully controlled by the owners of these resources. Now your friend can post a video of their thermos surviving a car accident and suddenly a company who's entire perception could not have possibly entered mainstream can. There is more freedom as a macro economy, you can truly access what interests you. This also leads to "too much choice" sometimes but it's definitely awesome for some of us with unique interests. It has also leveled the playing field in way for trends to be able to match without extreme financial backing. You don't have to be part of the big guys for your song or dance to go viral. You can have a niche on YouTube and make a living on commentary videos. You could not do this before.
Finally, the access to tech has not only improved our lives but brought a level of freedom unheard of. In my day, only movie studios had the tools to make media. Now people can express themselves with minimal financial investment. People are creating at levels never seen before because they finally have access to tools needed for it. Microphones, software, cameras, painting classes, and the world has distinctly become more and more creative and colorful. This is also helped by the less keeping up with the Joneses worrying about their perception thing. The more free we are in creating and expression, the more diverse and beautiful our works get. And yes I think it's cool people can openly create furry porn and then connect with others who like it. This is truly something unimaginable to my generation. Our weirdness was violently oppressed. Now we out here turning that violence into twilight fanfics that spawn movie franchises.
You win some you lose some.
In not particular order, and a kind reminder that I'm not from US so some things may look different if you are from there:
People are far noisier, as there is less concerns by being judged by your neighbors. People used to behave purely out of shame. Now the shame is gone and people are wild.
Vast increase in dog ownership. There's literally more dog than small kids in my country from several years now.
Vast increase in immigration. Statistics are weird here, as we give citizenship to a great amount of migrants in just two years, and here is illegal to record statistics based on ethnicity, country of origin or any aspect that would identify anyone's ancestry. But my neighborhood went to 90-10 national-immigrant to 40-60. I live in a poor neighborhood so it's not the same in all parts of the country, but immigration increase is there and it's a big change.
Less violence overall. Street violence overall seems lower. Also there's less of a terrorists threat as we used to have (there were several active terrorists groups here that are now gone).
A housing problem. People used to get a house without issues. Now it's one of the biggest issues of young people.
Increase of tolerance towards homosexuality. It's view as something very normal nowadays I think, and it use not to be that way.
Increase of equality between men and women. Direct discrimination is completely outlaw and hard to see. Indirect discrimination may still exist but is on a all time low. Most bosses I have had in all my jobs have been women (for giving a small example).
People go on vacation more often and further away. When I was young people used to just go one time a year on vacation, most of the time to a national place. Now people go several times a year to foreign countries, and "travel" have become the most important thing in many people's lives (how many dating profiles have I seen in which the person pointed traveling as their life moto).
Most people have university studies. It didn't used to be that way.
There's probably much more. Those are the first things that came into my mind.
4 things
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People are getting lonelier and lonelier, even if we have the technoloogy, we keep getting further apart, it takes weeks to make time to see someone. So here I am, travelling alone...
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The attention span
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The willingness to actually do some legwork, laziness, or conformity.
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This will not sound nice: people getting dumber. There. I said it.
my 4 cents
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Outside of formal settings, I'd say that it's uncommon for women to wear skirts or dresses in day-to-day life now.
Menswear is considerably more casual. This is a trend that's been going for over a century or so, so it certainly didn't just happen during my life, but it did significantly change in that time.
The mall was full of stores with good quality products that you would value for a non insignificant amount of time if purchased.
I got started on the Internet in 1988. You had to learn Unix (Linux didn't exist yet) and the command line (GUI Internet didn't exist yet), and had to manually piece together files to download them (www didn't exist yet).
No one admits when they don't know something. The mentality of, fake it until you make it, casts ignorance as some sort of failure to be ridiculed. As a result we have politicians and laymen believing they can do something or know better than experts on a specific topic.
The other is the complete lack of humility or embarrassment when fucking up. People will just stream or post their most idiotic ideas to get 'views,' even if it makes them look terrible. This idea where you need to live-stream your entire life baffles me. Not sure if this falls under the tech and social media restriction of this post.
Isolation of individuals and the growing loss of ownership of, well, everything.
Everyone has reduced their perception of the world to a Bad Apple-esque black and white extreme of good or bad. All In Support or Nuclear Strike Disapproval. No inbetweens allowed.
It still feels a little odd to me that restaurants don't ask "smoking or non?". Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted everything stopped smelling like ash. But it's surreal to remember my grand parents chain smoking over pancakes at Dennys.
Cable TV use to be something that teathered us all together in a way. We were all stuck on the same schedule for premiers of new episodes of different shows so we all had a common thing to talk about come the next day. Now I have no idea what’s playing on what service and have just given up on staying up to date on the new shows. I could have access to $TVShow but probably won’t watch it because I don’t like to binge watch so it takes me longer to catch up and by the time I do it has already left the minds of my peers so why bother.
No third places.
When I was a kid, it was assumed that boys asked girls to dances and not the other way around. In the recent Pixar series Dream Productions, a tween girl is asked who she's going to ask to the school dance. It's now treated as normal for girls to ask boys. She also ends up not going with a date and just going with her friends.
“no one talks to each other in person, they’re on their phones always”
No one talks to each other on their phones either. They send texts.
I think for me in my country it would be the collapse of the social contract. The bonds that society regulates itself.
The world has less colour.
This isn't a dramatic "I'm depressed" post, though that is a factor. Nature is still nature-coloured, for one, and it still looks lovely.
I mean that like, you'd go outside and look at the cars and see a rainbow of colours. Now it's all black, silver, or white. You only see colorful cars if they are really old beat up rustbuckets or if they are brand new luxury vehicles used by super rich people.
Buildings too. Businesses and the buildings they set up shop in would be painted with garish, eye popping colour. Now everything trends towards landlord-beige.
Edit: And it should be noted, this happened for a reason, and I am aware of that reason, and that just makes me crankier.
From an artistic perspective, self-"publishing" (and I use quotations quite on purpose), changed writing as we know it and drastically dropped the average reading level of the public since now any chimp can bang their fist on a keyboard for an hour, upload it to Amazon and call themselves an "author" beside Stephen King or Umberto Eco.
It was always hailed as "the end of the so-called gatekeepers". Without stopping to realise that gatekeepers/publishers exist for a reason. So that the public zeitgeist isn't completely overrun with utter crap.
The response to having your short story or novel rejected used to be "okay...I'll learn, practice and get better for the next time." Now, it's "screw you...I'll pollute the zeitgeist with my 3rd grade level grammar nightmare with or without you and put it right up there on the shelf next to the actual writers."
Just imagine if a doctor flunked out of med-school, and instead of trying harder, just said "screw you, I'm going to open up my own surgery and put it right next door to you and there's nothing you can do to stop me...."
What a crazy stupid world we live in.
Cartoons went from the majority of them having a unique enough art style to distinguish them from one another. If you take a silhouette of heads/faces from cartoon characters in the 90s and 2000s ( don't have experience with prior decades besides the standard MGM cartoons, Jetsons/Flintstones, or things like Looney Tunes or Tom and Jerry ) you'd be able to tell the characters apart, even if you don't even know who they are. Try doing that with most all 2010s and upwards new cartoon characters and you'll get the exact same ugly, generic, and sanitized bean shaped head/face/smile imaginable.
There have definitely been some examples that might deviate a little from that mold, like Summer Camp Island, but those are far and few between anymore.
Also, for the most part, I would consider the overall quality as having been declining as well. I haven't seen a lot of shows, so my experience should be taken with a huge lump of salt, but besides shows like Steven Universe, Summer Camp Island, etcetera, the storytelling hasn't been as tight ( all of this in my opinion ), they're banking on you not actually paying attention to the show itself so they can cheap out on every single step, art style is being sanitized and overly simplified to cut costs, and jokes are all devolving into "LOL RANDOM", but that might have been a 2010s thing and I hope it's dead.
It also doesn't help that fans and fandom culture over time have become worse as well as you'll usually find a vocal minority who will kick and scream while doxxing you because you ship the wrong 2 fictional characters together or don't believe their exact highly specific headcannon, regardless of whether you are the creator or nor. Though, I'm debating of getting rid of this section because it might bleed too much into social media.
Extreme drive for individualism leads to the society where nobody cares about others and the strongest wins. I wonder for how long the community can survive in these conditions.
Negative: Worse driving interactions (as a pedestrian/cyclist), especially post-covid.
Positive: People are generally more accepting of things, and people seem to be more comfortable sharing parts of them that make themselves different from the "norm".
There's not as many people outside just....existing. I'm not that old but I remember just going outside and seeing people just not doing anything in particular everywhere, now it seems like everyone always has some place to rush to and no one is allowed to just exist in public places anymore. Maybe that also has something to do with my perspective shifting has I got older, but I still feel like it's true.
Also bugs. There are like NO fucking bugs anymore. Couple decades ago you could walk out and get sandblasted by a million different bugs and now everything just feels so fucking dead and sterile and depressed. It's like outside was replaced by a clinic and no one bothered to complain.
The most noticeable change I see is how everyone buys stuff they can't effort all because of how easy it is to get a loan. With interests of course. Now everyone has a house, a car, an expensive smartphone, nice vacations, eats at fancy restaurants and nice café. Compared to previous generation this was mostly impossible for the vast majority of the population.
So life go easy in the facade because everyone just gets a loan.
Watching UK 70s TV now is wild. Prime time sitcoms using camp gay sterotypes as a punchline in themselves, black characters being called Chalkie or similar. These had regular repeats throughout the 80s on the main TV channels. Hell, known ephebophilie and bigot, Jim Davidson, had a prime time game show till 2002 and would regularly do his Chalkie character on it.
Late 90s/early 2000s UK TV was still pretty homophobic and racist, see Little Britain for yellow and brown face combined with racial stereotypes, big name comedians of the time like Frank Skinner making homophobic jokes.
Early 2000s in the UK was aggressively misogynistic, mostly in the printed press, absolutely rabid.
Obviously these issues haven't been solved, but at least its unacceptable for mainstream TV in the UK to pedal this shit.
The common man walks a path toward physical slavery, his pace ever increasing.
When I was a kid, it was common for members of parliament to vote freely per their riding with whipped votes being limited to confidence votes.
Now, thanks to Stephen Harper going hard on the precedent set by Jean Chretien, free votes basically don't exist in parliament.
Is sex different? It seems like sex has changed in society. Like, more openness, less taboo. But also conservative sexual beliefs seem to be pulling harder in the opposite direction.