I may be new here, but why is c/Europe all about Israel

The problem is that people is unable to find where to put their despair (in this case, support for Palestine) to real and concrete action. So, instead of joining Red Cross or something, they come here to fight the moderation team (i.e. calling us Nazis or assuming we support EU nations giving weapons to a state that's been accused of genocide). This is because we happened to draw a line as to "how" you should criticize Zionism.

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Yes, it seems that this community is being brigaded. There are a lot of posts on other Lemmys about the feddit.org announcement and it looks like there are people coordinating posting/voting here. It's kind of obvious when on every Israel/Palestine post multiple people from other instances show up on our small german instance who never posted here and start spreading the most blatant propaganda nonsense.

So yeah, we should totally do a kind of pause for Israel related content. If not, this community will become "European politicians react to something happening in the middle east" and "Some protest is going on about the situation in the middle east in a european city". And there will be massive fights in the comments.

European countries, especially Germany and the UK are mayor supporters of Israel and the support went on as the genocidal intent was made louder and louder by the Israeli government.

The UN says that within the next days 14,000 babies will be killed by starvation through the total aid blockade and hundreds of thousands of people are on the brink of starvation.

Again European countries support this or remain inactive about it. Suggesting now to "pause content" is quite unhinged. People are being subjected to the most heinous crimes and the only thing that can achieve a change is to keep up pressure, which starts by keeping to talk about it.

Instead demanding silence is morally wrong.
- Again European countries support this or remain inactive about it.
  
  https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/newsroom/news/e3-gaza-2714878
  
  It really doesn't help the case when people say stuff like "Germany supports the genocide". Not doing enough to stop it? Easy to argue. Not opposing, or even supporting? That's slander.
- As many fights there are in here. We should just refrain from posting about Israel and Palestine in c/Europe.

My top looks different, but these all do in fact seem to be posts about Europe. It’s a major conflict that is getting a lot of media attention and European countries have finally started losing patience with Israel’s actions.

Ok, let me propose a theory:

We know that Hamas started this war
We know that not only Hamas attacked Israel, but that other militias in the region attacked to - Hisbollah, the Houtis etc.
We know that all those are closely affiliated with Iran and that they are coordinating with Teheran. It's unthinkable that Hamas would act without consulting with Iran first
We know that Iran and Russia are allies
Both Russia and Iran had big problems in 2023: Russia was (and still is) stuck in Ukraine, waging a bloody "3 days operation". Iran had massive pro democracy protests after Mahsa Aminis was murdered by the police

In this context Hamas stages its attack and the worlds eyes switch from Iran and Ukraine to Gaza. There is no news reporting from Ukraine anymore, everybody talks about Gaza. People were voting for fucking Trump because of Bidens Israel politics. The global left is fighting itself due to Gaza while the global right is winning everywhere. And there are lots of accounts around that are simply trolling.

And that totally is the playbook someone like Putin is using. Don't be a useful idiot.

Ok, let me propose a theory:

We know that Netanyahu deliberately supported Hamas funding to prevent Palestinian unity and block a two-state solution

We know that defense stocks jumped after October 7 - Lockheed Martin bounced over 12% and raked in profits from the $17.9 billion in military aid flowing to Israel, and the $61 billion for Ukraine

We know that all major powers had big problems in 2023: Netanyahu had 38% approval and 76% wanted him to resign, Putin was stuck in Ukraine, Biden faced declining ratings

We know that Netanyahu's coalition would have lost 11 seats in September 2023 polls and hundreds of thousands were protesting his judicial reforms

In this context the timing was perfect for everyone's domestic problems. Israel's massive protests vanished overnight. US defense spending got bipartisan support for the first time in years. Every incumbent got their foreign crisis distraction while defense contractors cashed in.

The world's eyes switched from Ukraine, domestic failures, and economic problems to picking sides in Gaza. Defense budgets exploded, energy markets destabilized profitably, and populations rallied around their governments while ignoring corruption at home.

And that totally is the playbook of disaster capitalism. Don't be a useful idiot for the war profiteers. Demand your government oppose blank-check military spending, and support peace negotiations over arms deals.
How do the people being murdered by bombs and starvation and the announcements to ethnically cleanse Gaza or annihilate the population by the Israeli government fit into this?

Because you are insinuating that demanding to talk about and end the mass murder and ethnical cleansing of two million people means "being useful idiots" for Putin.

Also "Hamas started this war" is ignoring some 75 years of what happened before as well as the fact that Israel killed more than 200 Palestinians in 2023 before October. This ignores the ongoing ethnical cleansing and settlement occupation of the Westbank.

Finally Hezbollah for the longest time did not want go to full blown war with Israel, instead it only made token efforts and that front was ultimately escalated by Israel in September 2024 to distract from Gaza. If there would have been an actual coordination between Hezbollah, Hamas and Houthis, they would have all struck together and Oct. 7 and things would have looked very differently.

Your theory is wrong and your suggestion that opposing crimes against humanity would make one "useful idiots" is morally deeply wrong.
Before that Israel normalized relations with the UAE, Morroco, Bahrain and Sudan. They were working on a deal with Saudi Arabia as well. However Arab pulic opinion is obviously very anti Israel. So if you would want to sabotage that, the October attack makes sense.

However Netenyahu also needs the war as corruption charges are a huge problem for him. He also is turning Israel into a dictatorship.

The US wants to sell weapons.

Russia mostly likes chaos as it allows them to run anti Western propaganda and support Trump. However they do not need this war to do that.
You missed a bullet point: Russian operatives right-out planning the 7th of October operation and hands-on training Hamas.

Sort by New or Scaled, it all goes away.

The Israel/Palestine conflict always attracts a lot of discussion, so if you sort by Active, that's what you get.

Idk, this smells like bait to me. I cant see why it shouldnt be posted about?

Most posts about Israel is not about the conflict itself but how eu deals with it, which to me is a post about europe. I would also say an article about "Trump announces tarrif on xyz" would not fit here, while "Von der Leyen dislikes trumps xyz tarrif" would. But I am biased, since I think this is a big issue in European politics and I believe if the anti-genocide people stay quiet the pro-'we need a good economy' people win.

Because there was a huge issue between feddit users and anti-Israel folks and some people are trying to initiate more conflict. Just fucking ban anything about Israel/Palestine in c/Europe!

Its just a big current event (as in, its being reported on).

We'd need to look up how the "Active" algorithm works. It doesn't align like that with any other sorting method. And also not on other platforms.

To be fair, each article has "Euro" in the title, and I can't find the Berlin one. your's however shows up and makes it even more consequtive ones with Israel in the title.

And I mean it's kind of an "active" topic of discussion right now... And Europe has lots of foreign relations and discusses everything...

https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html

Here's the algorithm, if you are interested.

That's just Lemmy for you, a lot of communities on there get brigaded with this topic, including technology and completely unrelated ones

Would like to hear a mod opinion on that. We have lots of Middle East Conflict communities on Lemmy, the mods could just say that posts about Middle East should be posted there, not in this Europe-community.

E: I mean they do have something to do with Europe (Eurovision, Berlin, ...), but do we need such a mass of posts about Israel/Gaza in c/europe?

E2: Checking the latest post, it doesn't seem as much as this post indicates...

Israel is part of Europe, CMV

Other way around: Europe is just an Asian peninsula with delusions of grandeur.