Interested in getting a feel for what people may be likely to do IF reddit reverses their decision regarding API access, or reduces access fees to a reasonable level and 3rd party apps remain sustainable.
While I know the chances of this are extreeeemely slim, until 1st July there is an ever so slight chance this could still happen.
From my perspective, the community harm is done, and those who have left prior to July 1 have left due to principles, not because their app stopped working. As such, I'd be inclined to think most of those migrators would stay here in the fediverse.
But would we see a mass exodus back to reddit if the changes were undone? It's easy to say no, but if it went back to operations as relatively normal, it may be easy to justify going back for some users.
I'd like to think I wouldn't go back. I've deleted content and account from reddit. I'll be happy here so long as there is enough userbase for some discussion.
Its not like this was the first shitty thing that Reddit have done. Its a platform that has been getting progressively worse for years. I will definitely stay here.
I'll stay here, I don't tolerate being treated like sh*it as they did, it's totally unacceptable. Even if they apologized, they shown their true colors, we know they would be lying.
I came here a couple of weeks ago and since then I did my best to be involved in lemmy communities so as to not miss reddit, and you know what? It worked :)
I'm not deleting my account because I want my data first (sent a GDPR request), but I don't really care anymore about what they do, nor I care about reddit as a platform, engagement here is much higher quality.
Still following news because it's entertaining, I love how the community got creative with the protest.
For me, it's not just that they screwed up the API changes, it's that they've repeatedly kept doubling down since then.
It's also ... I keep thinking back to Ellen Pao. They brought her in knowing that they wanted her to get rid of FPH and Victoria, knowing that at least the FPH thing was going to make her a target of the misogynistic GamerGate haters and bringing in a woman anyway, and they deliberately and repeatedly refused to give her any public support. It was completely reprehensible, and they cheerfully scapegoated her and kicked her to the curb when it was done.
As bad as that was, I also see elements of the same thing happening here, where this is a highly unpopular change, and there's no one else from reddit speaking up to support spez. I think they're going to have him force through the changes and then kick him to the curb like they did Ellen. They're not going to reverse any of the changes - it's what they want, after all, but they're going to let spez take all the heat and go on their merry way completely unphased.
To be completely honest, I think spez deserves this: his job as CEO is to have vision, manage public relations, and handle crises, and he's miserably failed at all of those. He misunderstood reddit's most valuable assets (it's commentary and the large group of people contributing and moderating the site for free), and he literally paid the API fees for some very profitable and potentially profitable companies to suck every piece of data from reddit; then he publicly targeted small publishers who enhance reddit instead of presenting them as collateral damage of the AI wars (I suspect to avoid bringing attention to his incredible lack of vision in letting everyone freely harvest data for their own lucrative products). And he's clearly failing in the PR and managing crises front as well. But I truly believe that everyone at reddit is perfectly happy to let spez do this thing that they want done, and then they'll throw him away when it's done in an attempt to appease the users.
Anyway, your question is "what will I do if reddit undoes the API changes". Given my beliefs, I simply don't see how I could possibly trust reddit management ever again. And trust is a really big thing with me; I don't think I could ever go back.
Unless you're reddit management, here to gauge user temperament, in which case I will totally return if the API changes are undone, yes, of course I will, just trust me!
I don't want to go back. I miss my subreddit - hell let's be honest, I miss /Reddit/ - but... Seeing how spez has acted and treated... /everyone/...
Like... We used the site, we provided the content, and the conversations, and the knowledge, the info, the jokes, the memes... That was all us. And it's like... I dunno he wants to eat his cake and have it to. He wants us there both for the content we provide as well as to monetize us and in a way I get it but it's like... ... When reddit was just the background... "the background" you didn't really think about it so much, you know? But it's like when Elon took over Twitter suddenly it's not just "Twitter" in the background it's now "Elon musks Twitter" and it's front and center and sleezy and scuzzy and you just want to not be a part of it anymore.
That feels like reddit now. Like how spez has been acting just makes it all feel dirty and horrible.
And I /miss/ reddit, I miss my subreddits. I miss googling any random idea and aphending reddit to the end of it and not even thinking about if it would show up on there because you just knew it would. Like it wasn't even a question... And I /miss/ that. So much. ... But it's like... /tainted/ now. I hate seeing reddit results from Google searches now.
And learning about how federation works reminds me of reading shadow run back in the day and how the matrix worked there with little nodes of info all talking to each other. In a way, then, the fediverse, to /me/, feels like the future...
So I'm willing to stay here and wait for it to grow and comment a little more than I ever did on reddit. Because I don't want to go back. And I don't think we should.
Lmao even if it weren't just no out of principle, after spez's comments about how Twitter under Elon is a model for Reddit to look to - why would I waste an ounce of energy on such a platform?
Nothing will change my decision now. The trust is permanently broken and the damage is irreversible.
They've shown that they won't hesitate to kick out mods at a whim even when it goes against the community's wishes. Even if the API changes are walked back, Spez resigns and the company apologises, that's no longer enough to undo what they've destroyed. Reddit is done.
I was originally going to simply delete my Reddit account on the 30th. After seeing the farce unravel, I'm also going to nuke all content I've created on that platform at the same time. Scorched earth seems to be the only answer now and it's the least I can do after the continued disrespect they've shown to their users, mods and especially the third party app devs. They're nothing without the communities and the content that they've produced.
Laugh at the fools who believe they won‘t just make the same changes in increments instead. Oh a reasonable level? Let me introduce inflation to you. Now pay more and make us content we can sell serf. That‘s the entire purpose of your existence in the eyes of a corporation.
Meh. I'm staying here. Reddit has been getting worse. The future should be federated, not centralized, so hopefully that stuff Reddit just did has very little chance of happening again.
Unless they fire their CEO and the whole board and make Reddit a non-profit organization I won't go back. It is absolutely clear that they only care about money and I won't help them with that if they react like dictators.
At this point, I'd be more likely to use facebook or geocities. Or start talking with strangers on a train. Sure, I miss some of my niche communities that didn't make the jump to kbinlemmy - but not enough to go back on my principles.
If a Google search spins out Reddit as a source for a solution, fine. Not making my life harder than I need to. But hanging out, generating data and content? Nope. Done.
IT's to late, if u/spez changes his mind he still has the upper hand. he can turn it off at anytime and this shitshow will start all over again. I cut my loses on the 12th and haven't looked back and i'm happy about that. i had a 350k account and hit the frontpage 5x in 6 years. yea it was hard letting go but somebody gotta do it
From my perspective, the community harm is done, and those who have left prior to July 1 have left due to principles, not because their app stopped working.
Exactly this. Spez showed his hand clear as day: he's just another mildly sociopathic CEO that will gladly fuck anyone over to feed his bottom-line. That's dangerous as hell and I don't want my data in his hands.
I'm completely done with Reddit. The damage is already done. I have been much happier here on Lemmy since the 12th, not planning to leaving anytime soon.
They could abandon their plans, apologize and then give everyone a cute puppy as a sorry, and I still wouldn't go back. Spez and his group of admins have shown their true colors, and it's because of them that I refuse to ever rejoin. Their actions this past week have been downright dictatorial, engaging in doublethink, hyperbole and creating rules when it benefits them despite no prior communication with the communities they've steamrolled by force.
As someone who recently had a 12 year old account, reddit and Spez can go fuck themselves.
Unfortunately I am financially depended on reddit rn, like 80% of my sales comes from there so I will continue to post on mechmarket. But I am posting here as well and left links to my kbin and Lemmy on my reddit profile
Imagine if your partner is abusive as fuck and took advantage of you for years, and you managed to go away from them, then they stop being abusive and say they won't be like that again, How can you be sure that they'll stay that way? What keeps them from acting like a total piece of shit again?
Personally, this is the third or so time I’ve looked for viable alternatives to Reddit. Now that I have found one, I intend to stay here.
There are still some Reddit-exclusive communities I might go back to at some point. As this platform matures, I’ll probably try to get others to migrate here.a
For me personally, I won’t delete my account right away but I will nonetheless try to come more and more to lemmy because the problem on Reddit isn’t just a u/spez one but rather a systematical problem. It can reappear again. They showed their true colors.
I spent the blackout time looking at the alternatives, and reducing the amount of time I spend on this type of browsing.. now I find that kbin has all I need for the smaller amount of browsing I do… it just needs an app with basic features and I will prob never go back to reddit except for stuff that shows up in google searches
I never really cared that much for the API. I just didn’t like the company and how its CEO behaved, and I truly enjoy watching fediverse taking off so here I am.
Unless there is a proper and thorough change of leadership and structures, I can't see myself returning. The API changes and all related problems are a symptom of the current organisation of reddit. Unless more power is given to the users stuff like that will keep happening imo.
I wouldn't care. I am only still using Reddit because of the Ukraine megathread in r/worldnews. As soon as we get something like this going, I leave it completely.
I'll be the one to say that: if miraculously they reversed course and undid all of the projected changes by the end of the month, yeah I'd keep using Reddit. I didn't really leave on principle. I left because I heard my preferred format for accessing the site was going away, and I started looking into alternatives.
As long as I had RIF on mobile and Old Reddit with RES on desktop, I would have stayed there because the population is there.
But with all that being said, Old Reddit was slowly getting buggier and more and more users were cluttering discussions with asides about features that were completely absent on Old Reddit, so I was ready for a change. And with that being the case, in the extremely likely event that the third-party apps actually die at the end of the month, I'll see that as a welcome sign to continue giving this place a chance instead.
The damage is done and the reddit project has failed. Reddit wil die the slow death of the abandoned, slowly losing relvance over time.
I think many reddit users have been curious about the fedverae, but nor ready to move. Or ready to put in the effort to learn. This certainly describes me. Reddit's actions were the push I needed.
So now we build something new and exciting. Reddit will just become the place we talk about in the greybeard threads a few years from now. That site we used to know.
Why would I do anything? It's more about the admins' behavior than about the API changes at this point. Even if they undo the API changes, they can't undo the last week of assholery.
I think I'll mostly be staying here. But there're a few subreddits that I might check from time to time. But if those communities move elsewhere then there's a chance that I would abandon Reddit entirely.
I just landed here, so time will tell. I think a lot of damage has been done and most of it by the toxic way spez has dealt with this. He’d have to step down to really make progress in healing things. I like the idea of a decentralized community that one person can’t fuck up. So, I want to give this an honest try.
I don't see that a reversal at this point would be any different to Twitter suddenly becoming usable again. The damage has already been done, it can't be reversed. Even with a pinky swear that Reddit will never pull this shit again, the trust is gone. Just like with Twitter - Elon could f*** off to Mars tomorrow, but the next person to step in and run Twitter could be just as bad, or worse. And both companies can implement any changes they like at any time with zero worry about what happens to the users. Thus - it's the wake-up call we all needed, that someone else's platform is really someone else's platform - regardless of how long we have had a home there. It's time for own platform, a community run platform.
Reddit was unusable way before the last scandal. Main problems being arbitrary, opaque moderation, astroturfing, low-effort posts, bots, general meanness and negativity.
It got to the point where it felt like you were more likely to interact with a bot or a propagandist than a normal human being.
Reddit is an advertising platform masquerading as social media.
It'll probably happen here too, but it might take a while.
I want to avoid enshitification, and enshitification is more or less the ultimate goal of those who own reddit. This isn't the first time they've tried to extract value from the site with utter disregard for users and moderators. If they didn't get their way this time, they'll just try again later. Perhaps more politely or more slowly, but the writing is on the wall. Has been for a while.
I've had my account on reddit for well over 17 years, was in the first 1000 users to register, but regardless of what they do I'm mentally working thru deleting it. I will soon.
Reddit in 2005/6 felt much like this place is now.
I’m in the process of abandoning my Reddit account. I abandoned my Twitter a little while before the Muskening and once it became finalized I really didn’t want to go back, but I kind of regret not saving more memes/screenshots so I’m making sure to actually archive things this time.
I don’t want to go back. The fediverse has everything and more; I would like to think that we can keep up this wonderful sense of community here. Meanwhile the toxicity on Reddit has gotten even worse.
It’s like having the opportunity to have an amicable separation from a toxic ex.
The same thing I did when Wotc tried to invalidate the ogl, walk away from any future support of their products and find better options, which is why I'm here.
Reddit has been so transparently awful in handling this whole situation that I wouldn't go back. I can only imagine something similar would happen again not too far in the future anyway, regardless if they were to reverse their decision with the API.
I left Reddit for good, I deleted my account. Maybe I will occasionally check Libreddit/Teddit if that will be possible. But my Reddit feed became pretty boring in the last weeks, many people left, many subs are still protesting.
Yet I’m not fully convinced that Kbin/Lemmy is the answer for me. I’m questioning if the whole social news aggregator is what I want.
I'm new enough to not have experienced old.reddit so most of my experiences are from the new interface on computer. With that said, the new reddit is crap.
It is sooooo slow. My computer isn't lacking by any means, but infinity on my old pixel phone is still much faster. I don't understand how this is even possible.
The comment box is broken. I can't tell how many times the comment box malfunctioned either in formatting or in other ways after I copy pasted text into it. If copying text makes things buggy, then something is wrong. Not to mention that less frequently, I've clicked on submit after writing a long post just to have it vanish into thin air.
I'm with the moderators for the API issue, but my experiences with moderation there wasn't the best. Inconsistency between different mods, etc. That is a thankless job for sure, and the same problems could come up here or lemmy or anywhere else as the communities grow, but here's hoping that we learn from past mistakes.
I'm gone for good. I've been looking for good alternatives for a long while. I really don't agree with what reddit has done, but I'm glad they did it. Because it created the desire for so many to seek change. Reddit has been a cesspool for a long while.
I like the fediverse but the centralised nature of reddit is much less confusing. Really I would probably see where the communities are and stay wherever is most convenient. If Reddit did undo their changes then the chances are a few communities might move back to reddit or stay there, and the app devs may also cancel plans to make other fediverse clients, so it would be a tricky decision for me in my mind.
Reddit is the community more than it is the site in my mind.
This reminds me a bit of Wizards Of the Coast. As a MTG and D&D player, I experienced multiple times the company treating the player base like shit, getting flak, crawling back, and repeating this over and over. At some point I figured I'm an idiot for accepting their remorse - they are constantly trying to see what they can get away with, and the only sensible response is an irrevocable ban.
From my perspective, Spez's response to the community is unforgivable - there is no amount of crawling back that will appease me - I have no intent in continuing to invest my time and effort in a platform that I believe will continue to try to get away with what they can, just like WOTC.
In my case? Nothing. They thoroughly burned that bridge. They would have to rebuild it, and merely returning to the status quo after showing their hand isn't enough.
Does not matter if they revert the changes or not at this point. I found a new home here and will keep using it.
I will still keep my reddit-Account and do the same as with my FB-account: Visit the site once a month to check up on the one or two communities that unfortunately stayed there.
I really have no choice. I’m primarily a mobile user via 3rd party app because their native app sucks in so many different ways. In fact, I replied to this very thread from my phone.
When the API gets cut off, I get cut off because I don’t—nor won’t—live in front of my computer.
No Reddit has been getting worse for the past few years already. If they were to reverse the decision now, it would probably only be temporary anyway, until they find a new way to increase monetization.
Reddit needs more revenue. They're not profitable, and never have been. The only means they have for getting that revenue is manipulating me so that I watch more ads, or selling my content to others without my explicit consent.
Which means I'm done with Reddit, and for-profit social media, forever.
I won’t return to Reddit. In my case the bridge is burned.
I deleted all my comments/posts and will only keep my account in case you need one sometime in the future to read stuff. Otherwise it will be used to block my old username.
Except for reading specific stuff when I’m googling for solutions I’m not going to use Reddit anymore. Since the blackout the number of posts increased so heavily that I don’t experience much difference to Reddit. Except one thing: The people here are much less toxic!
Whether I go back to reddit is entirely dependent on how Lemmy/kbin do. If they remain active I see no reason to switch back, but if they don’t then I won’t have much choice as I don’t know of any other alternatives
In a world where Steve Huffman has called reddit's data "his data to sell", it has become abundantly clear that he has absolutely no respect for the fact that it is his users and moderators that create the community -- all that he and the admins do is create a system whereby the community can create and curate content. Without users, he has a big expensive and empty server.
It's not "his data", it's the community's data. The fact that he's acting like he owns all of it pretty much sums up why I overwrote and deleted all of my content on reddit, and it is precisely why I will never provide free content for that website ever again.
I’ll live here, but I might poke into Reddit for the more obscure communities that can’t really survive a migration. Reddit knows what it wants and even if it fails this time, they’ll get sly with it and push more and more until they’re satisfied.
The biggest news is going to make it over here at this point anyway.
Along with most of the people here, the damage has been done in my opinion. I'd probably check in on Reddit more often, but refuse to be invested there as I was before.
Good question. I only just created an account, but I don't know if I'd go back. I used sync for reddit (apparently being ported for lemmy) so if I can't keep using that I wouldn't browse reddit on my mobile.
I just hope some of the gaming communities and their users migrate over as well a lot of the tech support and branded subreddits - googling "X vacuum issue reddit" or "dragon scale farming botw reddit" will be hard to transition from. I don't think this will happen overnight.
Likewise, I think there needs to be a better way of handling duplicated federated instances as I can see this being annoying / a confusing turn off for new users.
After Steve's behavior and treatment of the mods and developers, I wouldn't go back if they paid me. Even in the best case scenarios, they can't undo the damage that's already been done.
To be perfectly honest - I’ll likely stay here for content that typically ends up in large subs. Programming, World News, Politics, Ask _? That’s pretty well covered here.
But I’d use my third party app of choice to check in on subs that haven’t really taken off here yet. I haven’t had a decent conversation about One Piece yet on this platform. The Colts magazine equally dead. Game specific magazines and conversations are not very active here.
I deleted my account on Reddit because their handling of the situation didn’t really inspire confidence in the site’s future 🤷♂️I won’t be going back regardless.
Fediverse is a neat network model of integration of communities in the same way that integration happens in real life.
The damage is done. The administration at Reddit has shown they will do whatever it takes to stamp out dissent... except for actually listen to the users.
The real win is having a viable place that people can go instead of Reddit, to force Reddit to compete and improve itself in general. (or have a place people can go if Reddit ultimately shuts down)
To that end, I would stay right here, and then someday if Reddit improves enough, maybe consider using both.
I actually ceased interacting on Reddit personally some time ago, and was just a lurker, using Relay to stay up to date with tech news. This was the last straw to remove the last vestiges of Reddit from my life. I've made a habit of reading HN and subscribing to RSS feeds, so Reddit was redundant anyways.
Imagine we're at the point where the Titanic has split in two, and the remaining portion is held afloat by trapped air. You can patch the hole made by the iceberg, but it probably won't change my plans too much.
I didn't leave reddit because of the API changes. I left reddit because they're treating their userbase and their volunteer moderators that keep the community clean to their standards for them like absolute shit
Honestly, I would probably be using both, in that case. The Threadiverse feels a lot like the early days of Reddit and I would love to be part of it and see it grow up. Assuming this keeps expanding, it's too late for me to go back to exclusively using Reddit at this point. Giga brain Mr. Huffman made sure of that.
However, there are numerous great communities at Reddit that haven't found a place here yet. Especially many of the smaller subs that were already very niche as it is, and that one probably won't not find anywhere else anytime soon.
I'm already regularly using multiple different sites as it is. Both larger international ones, as well as smaller local blogs and forums. I don't personally see an issue by itself to keep both Reddit and Kbin on that list.
Hopefully, we will see entirely new communities pop up and grow in the Threadiverse. That is, communities that aren't just different flavours of "Reddit sucks". Not saying it's not entertaining, but I think we need to broaden the scope a bit going forward. :)
I might end up on Reddit when googling for answers but I wouldn't go back full time. It has been very clear from the past few days that spez and co are not to be trusted. I like kbin a lot, I feel adults are having actual mature conversations instead of the insult matches that happen on Reddit. And I have contributed here more than I have in the 10 years of using Reddit.
There are two communities that I'll stay on Reddit for, but my interest even in them is dying (and was dying even before this spez idiocy).
As for the other 80% of my participation on forums, I have liked what I'm seeing on the Reddit alternatives and I am likely going to get my cup filled there. So, for me, this whole shitshow has been a win and not a loss.
I didn't delete my reddit account so I still have the possibility to easily return but I don't think I will unless the community here in the Threadiverse dies down or something which I don't think will happen.
Im staying away from Reddit, the fediverse is really intriguing and I want to see it succeed im shredding my Reddit account on the 30th or after the reports of Reddit undeleting accounts dies down I just want to be able to keep a pic of the profile page for memory maybe post some sort of "Snoo" head count somewhere for people to show the accounts that got deleted during the migration
Edit: dont enjoy the term snoo but it gets a point across just like death by snoo snoo
I honestly would go back to reddit for the nitch communities that will have a hard time re building e.g titanfall, beans in things, ect. But this will definitely be my new home and I would try and push for those communities to migrate here.