Simpsons did it!
Futurama is just a slightly different Simpsons!
We are enemies now
I was going to comment that OPs meme sums up db0 really well, but this one does that even better.
You can't tell me how to anarchy bro
One thing the right is good at doing is falling in line, no matter that the agenda being pushed.
Gotta maintain that rigid tribal culture so it supports whoever steals the leadership role!
Heh, don't let that fool you, they still infight like crazy despite that. Examples include the hilarious collapse of the NJP, the assassination of Rockwell (leader of the American Nazi Party) and labeling every existing neo-Nazi group "feds" because they're inevitably embarrassing and scandal-filled.
The right has their fair share of infighting. They may all want heirarchy, but they disagree on who should be on top. They can all agree on scapegoating an outgroup, but disagree on which people fall into that outgroup. Like, the ultimate endgame of fascism is for the last fascist to kill the second to last fascist for not being white enough.
They appear to be united because most of us don't go into their spaces and lurk, because, I mean, ew. If a Trump supporter came to Lemmy, they'd find people quite united against them, and if one of us went on Truth Social, we'd find them quite united against us, but that doesn't mean they actually get along internally.
Honestly I'm fairly certain they infight even harder than the left does. They just wouldn't self-critically admit to it like we would. Cause they don't self-crit.
The right opposes free thought and favors conformity to support the privileged few.
The left favors free thought and opposes conformity, because that would impede social progress.
Yeah, I wonder why one of those groups is likely to have public arguments.
The right is also driven by fear and hate. It’s easier to get coordination and conformity that way.
It's a different version of the tolerance paradox
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. (Source Wikipedia)
Sucks that the system in the USA is broken but until it's fixed and we have more than two parties, democrats are the left.
It's better not to equate the two parties of the USA to the parties in a parliamentary system it's a different beast.
The Democrats are the coalition of the left of center interest groups of the current time, and Republicans the coalition of the right of center interest groups of the current time.
These groups are more the parties of the parliamentary system and run candidates in the primaries of their respective parties, and possibly as independent from time to time (particularly when they feel a bit pushed out of the main parties). Also they push these candidates at all levels (local, state, congress ect)
I would love some sort of rank choice/instant runoff ballots to make more choices easier in the voting lineup, however those who are pushing for third parties without trying to run local politicians or promoting policies ect will likely not succeed in that system either.
I don't hate most leftists (or even non-leftists for that matter). I hate the kind that hate other leftists. The lemmy.ml tankies always complain that people who disagree with them are splitting the left, when they're the ones calling everybody who vaguely disagrees with them a liberal. Not purely an ML thing though, there's plenty of this kind of person in all camps.
I think lacking self awareness is a requirement to be a tankie
But after they called me a liberal for supporting Ukraine, they said they respect anarchists. They must be our friends! /s
Yugopnik made a good point on the term "Leftist" and how its so broad that it includes many different idealogies that are quite honestly conflicting, i.e. stalinists, anarchists, etc., so that it appears leftists are always fighting since they are all lumped into the same category.
I approve of any leftist as long as they are anti-authoritarian.
so that it appears leftists are always fighting since they are all lumped into the same category.
I always say it is because the left in general has its roots in old school liberal value of "think for yourself". So there typically tends to be maverick attitude and in-fighting. The best example is the Spanish Republicans during the Spanish Civil War; you have soc dems, communists and anarchists fighting together not just against fascists, but also themselves. The right, meanwhile value order and hierarchy, so they tend to easily set aside their differences. Again, the Spanish Civil War is the best example, with the Spanish Nationalists also composed of various factions with competing agenda, but managed to set aside their differences, which made it easier to do because they had a strong man figure to rally to.
For me, it makes much more sense to think about it all as pop culture. I'll use America but this goes for any country.
The right leaning party represents pop culture. A dominant culture. The popular culture is American Apple pie and blue jeans with letter jackets.
The left represents everything outside the pop culture bubble. It's a larger population as a whole, but they're like little bubbles they all contain their own culture. Those cultures can conflict or merge and compliment each other. But they're individually separate.
The pop culture is always feeling threatened. It needs to maintain the status quo. Every outside sub culture is trying to fight their way into the dominant culture.
So this is why the right leaning voters trend towards rejecting things like immigrants, minorities, LGQTB and often other sub groups that are not wildly accepted by the pop culture. This is also why the left leaning groups do not. They trend towards infighting about how to do things but overall they all focus efforts on taking status away from the pop culture.
When I view politics as a clash between pop culture and sub cultures, it makes so much of it make so much more sense.
Which is also why I believe this is useful because it highlights how to win. Pop culture is much more sensitive to culture jamming. If anyone remembers 'yes men save the world' they were buried a bit, but they managed to fuck with so many things in pretty smart ways. You can really start to see how to focus efforts on them with this context I think at least.
Look what they did to my boi.
I made this for a comment (about small-data images, jpegs) days ago:
I'll start my own leftism, with Blackjack and hookers! If fact, forget the blackjack. Ah, screw the whole thing.
this whole platform be like:
Just so we're clear, democrats are blue conservatives and are not leftists.
The meme is still accurate though. Why does Futurama look so anime? Did i miss a new episode?
Season 6 episode 26
It's from an episode that does a terribly shallow parody of anime. Ya know the kind where there's tentacle monsters everywhere despite me not being able to name a single anime I've ever seen that has that, just Western Parodies of anime and everyone talks in horrible Engrish in forced asian accents, even though not even dubbers as inept as 4Kids do that?
Basically the "I'm 65 and the only Japanese Cartoon I've ever seen is Speed Racer, and maybe parts of one episode of Pokemon my nephew was watching? But I've still totally got this guys!" school of anime parodies.
I fucking hate shallow parodies.
The same episode also parodied a lot of 80's cartoons; Namely Smurfs and GI Joe, and did a much better job of doing so.... Mostly because the writers had actually seen Smurfs and GI Joe.
Half the replies in this thread: so true bestie, except fuck those guys for not being left enough
Reminder to all my homies: If any of ya'll think trans rights are a bargaining chip, you aint leftist enough for me!
Ok but who thinks that, I've not seen anything about that anywhere on lemmy, so it must not be very common
Why can't we have Leftist Unity? The fucking Rightists can agree on hating "The Libz"
Why can't we agree on hating cons? Sadly I can't even get Leftist factions to agree on "LGBT Rights are based and cool", because Left-Learning TERFs exist and I've had Tankies pull "LGBT Rights is racist because it means forcing Western Ideals where they don't belong" crap on me.
Of course the only reply to this is a "srs leftist" who immediately proclaims you an enemy for shit you didn't say
We can't have leftist unity because the right has never run short on useful idiots
Because being a leftist just isnt as fun when you dont hate everyone and everything. Hate is fun
We can't even use the best slurs because we're too considerate.
I fucking hate this dynamic
Are we talking about actual leftist infighting, or mistaking liberals for the left and calling it infighting?
Also I'm almost certain that the actual left infights far less than the right. The only reason two Trump administrations hasn't started the literal fourth reich yet is because they infight so hard that they can't stick to any plan.
centrists say everything is all progressives fault. But also that progressives will never be allowed to have any place of authority or decision making in the party. They'd sooner court republicans. So they will lose the youth vote for good and go extinct, assuming the country survives their idiocy at all.
Centrists will blend quietly into the right the way that Homer backs his way into a hedge.
Its almost as if a single dimension is not big enough to describe the diversity of human political thought.
Fun fact, I once alluded to this on reddit's worldnews and they associated me with Hitler because apparently trying to say there is more than one dimension is trying to whitewash Nazism.
Troll factories can get defensive, don't touch what they work with.
I mean, not that I agree that you're Hitler, but the only other possible choice was Stalin, so...
There are inherently more ways to imagine changes than to point at the status quo.
This meme reminded me of all the different flavours of Christianity.
The better strategy would be to change what a Republican is and stands for, then we could all have our cake and the idiots in our country can still feel like they won.
Democrat can mean or represent literally anything, even if they did a 180 and began supporting Trump, and my mother will still hate them, because they're Democrats.
you can't spin those fascists into anything but shit!
ehhhhhh... Traditional, old school Elephants were still very environmentally conscious, turn nationalism into a positive trait. Patriots for nature and equal pay from the established woke billionaires! Be a real American, soldier!
If there's an actual debate you've got to define terms. People's definitions of 'leftist' can be pretty wild, especially if the debate is between an American and... mostly anyone outside America.
I have seen people waxing poetic about Imperial Japan and the Jakarta Method who consider themselves leftist, while at the same time associate outright NazBols with the left.
So 'what do you actually mean by tankie/liberal?' will usually cut through a lot of debate perv noise.
And people love the no true Scotsman fallacy and constantly throw out that the person isn’t really this or that
I have seen people waxing poetic about Imperial Japan
What? Who? Where? That's an absolutely wild take.
booba
I would like more unity with people who share alignment with me. Except for anyone who has a slightly different opinion than me on certain issues, screw those people.
Circular firing squad
I've seen situations here on lemmy where I would cause it if I where to argue with someone
I am leftist
Fryla isn't real, she can't hurt you
The bigger problem is that politics today isn't BS association to what "left" is versus BS association to what "right" is, it's becoming those that are willing to work within a system versus those that are just willing to exploit it. Trying to map out left and right is a concept so absurd no amount of coordinate systems is going to make people across language barriers and international barriers agree on how you label them.
Reasonable people that disagree are going to have more disagreements than an echo chamber masking a defrauding scheme that is open to be bought by the highest bidders.
It's a dubious place to be in. Those that believe in the system, and working within it...and the dangers of working outside of it...are realizing that there is no in-the-system countermeasure to those willing to work outside-the-system.
Those who believe in law and order can't use law and order to wrangle in...the majority of the "law" and "order" that are working in extra-legal and extra-ordinary ways.
Edit to add. We've been down this road before. Look at 1930s Germany. Not everyone was down with Dolfy. But we know how trying to fix it inside the system ended up.
There's a reason the American revolution wasn't just a group of people known for just peacefully protesting and criticizing until a new king rolled over.
See Ken Loach’s Land & Freedom on how factionalism and in-fighting within the Republican forces in the Spanish Civil war allowed the fascist Junta to win.
When I go hiking... I am going through certain mental forms of anguish as well as worrying about my water, the heat of the sun, and the fear of dying alone. of like a heart attack. because sometimes I really push myself. On this journey every once in a while I see a comrade and they're either moving past me at a higher rate or moving away because they've already reached their goal. Yet at the end of the day, it is just the time in which it takes me to get to my destination. But yet eventually we all reach the end of the trail. We observed different things and we value different things. We should talk about that.
