No investigation, no right to speak

According to some theories, China.

Depends which wave of newcomers. Some in more recent migrations just got banned for criticizing musk or endorsing Luigism, which is pretty milquetoast stuff any old lib can do.

Reddit is not even "liberal" anymore. The people on the conservative sub will say that it is but its been shifting rightward for years. There are a lot of people getting permad over things that in the past would have had broad agreement.

I am not only on .world (actually started out there and moved over here), but yeah, for me that was the last straw. That official app is just an affront.

Most of us have started from the default programming. I didn't get a lot of what I get today when I moved from Reddit. I know it can feel shitty to keep repeating the same things and make the same arguments over and over again but that's the process of teaching.

This.

I’ve always assumed communism works really well the smaller the group but at the scale of hundreds of millions it becomes very difficult logistically and also of course all those people need to agree with it so they’re not actively trying to sabotage it. I don’t see any danger in smaller nations being communist and never understood why people do consider it dangerous, outside of the obvious capitalist reasons and of course the dictators who used it as a front

Unless the example is similar in size and scope to the country I live in I struggle to find true relevance in the subject of communism as a national government

There is absolutely a discussion to be had here.

Of course people should be allowed to have their own government setups and authorities. It would be wrong to assume that we in the west have it all figured out.

However there are still questions of fundamental human rights. In many places of the world a woman can legally be raped, it's the woman's responsibility to always have a male relative with them. If we were to ask women what they thought about it they would probably say that there is no problem with it, that's just how it works. These women have been so indoctrinated by it that they don't question it.

We could also use slavery in America as an example. Many slaves probably accepted the argument that they had a better living standard as slaves, or some other argument that made them accept the status quo. Should Europe just have accepted that that is the way life goes over there?

Where does the line go between fundamental human rights and respecting other ways of life go? Western fundamental rights such as equal rights, right to a trial, right to life, etc. are just that, western.

Is that a whale

I like how the circle also looks like America and Hawaii and parts of Canada are not included lol

My only complaint is that the Baltics aren't included in the Shut The Fuck Up Zone.

Fuck colonists, fuck tankies!

👉 !nonpolitical_memes@lemmy.ml

The lemmy.world version of this community has politcs banned

Dang I didn’t know there were successful communist nations in developing countries.

Funnily enough, two started off as developing and ended up as world superpowers.

That is another western chauvinist talking point. That any development of industry (the primary task of countries who've just freed themselves from colonial rule), is a "betrayal" of socialism, because it didn't go according to whatever the given critic laid out as sufficiently socialist enough, and that only the western critics of socialist countries have the correct plan.

China specifically can't be called state capitalist in the slightest, considering that the CPC stands above the political system, unlike capitalist dictatorships where capital rises above political power:

• The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee.
• The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism?

We've spoken on this before, ultimately you still cling to the "One Drop Rule" as a consequence of undercooked study of Dialectical and Historical Materialism.

Edit: to respond to your edit, non-ML-derived Marxists are a minority among Marxists globally. Trotskyists are a largely western phenomenon, as are Left-comms, so it's unsurprising that there would only be 1 or 2 non-ML Marxists. Further, ML is overwhelmingly the most common umbrella of Marxists these days because it has seen real success, and theory and practice have proven it. There are sub-tendencies, but the umbrella of ML is so well-established because it's correct, if we are to be Marxists.

What no theory does to you.

No seriously, you need to read on this, you clearly have at best a very simplistic understanding of the subject.

Private property and markets can't just be abolished immediately after a revolution, it's not magic. Young socialist systems have to go through a transitional phase during which private property and markets are still allowed under strict oversight of the state.

His does not make them capitalist as the proletariat still has control over this private sector via the socialist state, such as in China where all of the essential industry that is necessary for every other, known as the commanding heights, are fully state owned and the enterprises that are private are required by law to have a party member on their board as well as a "golden share" owned by the state that allow it unchallenged veto power over the board's decisions among other means of authority over the private sector.

Vietnam, Cuba, PRC, DPRK, USSR (for 80 years at least). All of them defeated either US, Japanese, French, and German imperialists, and uplifted their people despite the US never letting up.

The PRC's acheivements:

• Uplifted more people out of poverty than any country in history, so much so that if we remove the PRC from rankings, world poverty would be increasing.
• Eliminated Urban Poverty. On track to eliminate all poverty within a decade.
• CGTN documentary - China's war on poverty

Some of the USSR's acheivements:

• USSR had a more nutritious diet than the US, according to the CIA. Calories consumed surpassed the US. source. Ended famines.
• Productive forces were not organized for capital gain and private enrichment; public ownership of the means of production supplanted private ownership. It was illegal to hire others and accumulate personal wealth from their labor.
• Had the 2nd fastest growing economy of the 20th century after Japan. The USSR started out at the same level of economic development and population as Brazil in 1920, which makes comparisons to the US, an already industrialized country by the 1920s, even more spectacular.
• Free Universal Health care, and most doctors per capita in the world. 42 doctors per 10k population, vs 24 in Denmark and Sweden, 19 in US.
• Had near zero unemployment, continuous economic growth for 70 straight years. The "continuous" part should make sense – the USSR was a planned, non-market economy, so market crashes á la capitalism were pretty much impossible.
• USSR moved from 58.5-hour workweeks to 41.6 hour workweeks (-0.36 h/yr) between 1913 and 1960
• USSR averaged 22 days of paid leave in 1986 while USA averaged 7.6 in 1996., 2
• In 1987, people in the USSR could retire with pension at 55 (female) and 60 (male) while receiving 50% of their wages at a at minimum. Meanwhile, in USA the average retirement age was 62-67.
• All education, including university level, free. 2
• 99% literacy.
• Saved the world from Fascism, Taking on the majority of Nazi divisions, and killing 90% of Nazi soldiers. Bore the enormous cost of blood and pain in WW2 (25M dead), with the bloodiest battles in the history of warfare.. An estimated 70% of Soviet housing was destroyed by Nazi invasion. Nazis were in retreat after the battle of Stalingrad in 1942, a full 2 years before the US landed troops in normandy.
• Doubled life expectancy. Eliminated poverty.
• Combatted sex inequality. Equal wages for men and women mandated by law, but sex inequality, although not as pronounced as under capitalism, was perpetuated in social roles. Very important lesson to learn.
• Combatted Racial inequality.
• Feudalism to space travel in 40 years. First satellite, rocket, space walk, woman, man, animal, space station, moon and mars probes.
• Soviet power production per capita in 1990 was more than the EU, Great Britain, or China's in 2014.
• Housing was socialized by localized community organizations, and there was virtually no homelessness. Houses were often shared by two families throughout the 20s and 30s – so unlike capitalism, there were no empty houses, but the houses were very full. In the 40s there was the war, and in the 50s there were a number of orphans from the war. The mass housing projects began in the 60s, they were completed in the 70s, and by the 70s, there were homeless people, but they often had genuine issues with mental health.
• 66% of Russians polled in 2015 want the USSR back. The story is the same for all the former eastern-bloc countries: 72% of Hungarians say their country is worse off now than under communism, 57% of East Germans, 63% of Romanians, 77% of Czechs, 81% of Serbs (for Yugoslavia), 70% of Ukrainians, 60% of Bulgarians.

It really depends on how you define "successful." If your measure of success is based on how closely these societies resemble Western, liberal, capitalist societies, then, yeah, you're probably not going to see a whole lot of "success," but that's not what these revolutionary movements were trying to achieve. I would say that first and foremost what essentially every communist movement was striving for was just autonomy and independence, and many have been successful in that regard. Vietnam is an independent nation, instead of a French colony. China, similarly, is no longer under the thumb of the British. You may not like what these nations do with their autonomy, but that is what they were striving for and they have achieved it.

The DPRK defeated the US despite it killing 1 out of every 5 people, and having nearly half their country destroyed:

Vietnam suffered similar ruthless civilian bombing campaigns and massacres, and defeated the US.

The PRC is quite obviously the easiest example, but I'd say every existing Socialist system has achieved remarkable success in the face of horrible opposition.

You can look at China right now, especially in the context of the US basically shitting the bed completely, and see success. It also depends on what you’re using to determine what “success” is. If the marker for comparison is a capitalist country… lol we see how well that’s playing out.

No system or place is perfect, but the US has trillions of dollars at its disposal and does zero for its people. Meanwhile, even folks with a meager income can live a comfortable life in China. I’ve heard this verbatim from Americans that have lived there—some of which for 15+ years.

Tim Pool ass comment

I'm willing to take the bait, but first re-read the meme and tell me what you missed?

...no? Pretty spot-on.