Since it won't happen the other way around, how do I get people to approach ME in public?
Now that we have determined in this thread that a friendly/flirty conversation is indeed not harassment, women are just people too, the old gender roles are dead and public parks are a singles hunting ground, how do I make it clear I'm open to being approached?
Since chatting someone up is out of the question for me, I'd rather hedge my bets on some women using those tricks all you Casanovas left in that thread on me. We're all progressive here, I don't see why the man must start this dance.
But I can't help but notice that this plan has not worked at all yet. How do I express I'm single and ready to mingle, except by just having that printed on my shirt? Like was said, having just a friendly conversation with any gender would be a start, can't remember those happening in a while either.
Wait, who said gender roles are dead? That's not a thing. Assuming youre a man, most women that are interested in you (or might be interested in you in the future) will expect you to make the first move. I don't think that's the patriarchy at work; most straight women want a man who is confident and assertive and I don't think there's anything problematic about that.
You seem to be confusing what you want with gender roles. Nobody said that men must make the first move. Many satisfying relationships start because women make the first move. But by consequence of the fact that you want a relationship, it naturally then follows that you'd have to make the first move.
IMO using props is a poor move. Might get your foot in the door, but it'll be obvious that your interest/commitment to the prop is not genuine. People can tell if you're acting, so I would ignore any comment that tells you to imagine and act out a scenario - doubly so if you're using a prop.
The trick is to realize that a cold call almost never works. There is a very low chance that any one person you run into on the street is looking for a relationship, and an even lower chance that they'd be willing to bet on a stranger for that relationship. So you're facing 2 filters that are lowering your chances that any one person you meet would want to get into a relationship with you.
You can't affect the first filter, but you can at least change the second filter - just don't be a stranger. It's easier said than done, but it's possible with concerted effort. To put it bluntly: be amicable and be social. Put yourself in situations where you meet people, and befriend them. And you are by far more likely to run into a potential partner from the people you already know than in a public park. I don't even mean to pretend to be friends - I mean actually be friends. Socializing has a compounding effect where the more you socialize, the more people you get introduced to. That's also important because of the fact that you can't affect the first filter. Clearing the first filter is really a numbers game, to simply know a lot of people.
You'll need to learn to maintain a social circle. Based on what I can tell, you seem to either be an introvert or have social anxiety. And honestly, I understand. I can't say that the process will be easy or that it's fair that extroverts have a leg up in the process, but the unfortunate reality is that society is built upon the assumption that people are social, and you have to play by those rules. The upshot is that more people are willing to be in a relationship than you'd think, and you don't really have to expand your social circle that much or maintain it that well before you come across someone who agrees to be in a relationship with you.
Since chatting someone up is out of the question for me
Why? Are you unable to speak? Are you unwilling to try? Because it sounds like you're hopeless about the idea of meeting someone and you don't feel like your own efforts could possibly help.
I don’t see why the man must start this dance.
The truth is that nobody, regardless of gender, wants to put themselves in a position where they could be rejected. And women usually don't need to. While you're leaning against the wall waiting for that woman to start talking with you another guy will approach her and ask her out. We all want to feel like someone is interested in us. It's flattering. It makes us feel good. And your question makes it clear you're unwilling to put the effort into showing you are interested. You want someone else to show they are interested in you. That way you don't have to risk anything. But low risk means low reward.
This may sound harsh, but I do understand where you're coming from. I went through this myself. One thing that helped me was learning to let go of any expectations when approaching and talking with someone. Try to understand you aren't there to pick her up, seduce her, or whatever. You are just there to talk. Everyone is interesting in some way. Practice asking people about themselves. You'll be awkward at first. You'll mess up and be embarrassed. But keep trying. If you can let go of your own desires and just be curious it will take you far. And talk with everyone you meet. Men, women, old, young, don't discriminate. It'll help you realize it's just a conversation.
Also, put one of those sticky name tags on your shirt. "Hi my name is Tudsamfa". It makes people more comfortable knowing your name.
You want someone else to show they are interested in you. That way you don’t have to risk anything.
Everyone is interesting in some way. Practice asking people about themselves. You’ll be awkward at first. You’ll mess up and be embarrassed. But keep trying.
The whole comment is solid advice. I especially think these are the meat of it.
Have you tried falling off a ladder. Anyone who doesnt run to offer assistance is not someone you wanna prone bone anyway. Time your ladder fall as the hottie approaches.
Some basic life advice for you: focus on things you can control, not on things you can't. Approach the people you want to interact with. That's completely under your control. You can't really control whether other people approach you. Spending your effort on that is a waste.
Au contraire! As was sung, "I am the one thing in life I can't control" (Edit: Oof, how embarrising), spending effort on that is the waste. So just coming off as more approachable is the one path open to me.
Maybe go on a site like meetup or find local events you are interested in. Go out and do something with strangers: help a charity, go on an organized hike, take a language class, do some volunteering.
Just hanging at the park putting out the vibe likely won't get you where you want to be.
Go to the singles park on a bicycle. Ride somewhere with cute single girls in your area. Fall on the bicycle and hurt your knee. Wait for help.
If the cute girls don't help, they're probably not that nice. Phew, you just saved a bullet there.
Is it this kind of stupid methods you want?
Okay, buy a shitload of oranges. Put them in a bag. Cut a hole in the bag, so it barely keeps together. Go to the park and find the cute girls again. Give the bag a firm shake so it falls apart and the oranges start rolling all over the place. Look sad. Attempt to pick up the oranges but keep dropping some, until they come and help.
Now for the next one, you will need to get out of your comfort zone. Go to the grocery store. Find the laundry detergent isle. Keep staring at the products until a cute single girl comes by. Look confused. Say to her: "excuse me, I'm really confused about all these, which one are you getting?" Eventually thank her for help and turn the conversation into something else " I'm new in this town, do you know any other great places to get laundry detergents (or whatever)"
Oh, I forgot to mention, you need to be wearing a suit or at least a blazer and proper shoes. None of the above will work very well if you look like a hobo who washes with a toilet brush.
What you need, my friend, is a slump buster. Casual sex with a woman you otherwise wouldn’t be interested in. I don’t know if it’s a sixth (or 7th or 8th) sense that women have, but they can tell if you’ve gotten any recently. If you have, it makes you more desirable. Alternatively, a good wank before going out in public, but that’s not nearly as effective. I ended many droughts with a slump buster back in my single days.
If you're a dude and you wanna be approached by regular women and not gold-diggers, you kinda have to be cute. If you're not too handsome you will have to go outside and wait a lot, I guess, even more so if you don't give off "approachable vibes". Or you could do what most men have done since time immemorial: learn a bit about people and what makes them smile and go do that regardless of your fears.
And what is this nonsense about being progressive and "gender roles". Women are scared kittens and the mere possibility of rejection, public or not, wrecks most of their psyches. And men are hornier (else the prostitution market would look very different, lol), so they know they'll be approached eventually, at least in their younger years. You're not battling ideology, you're battling economy! You will have to make a move, unless you're handsome enough that a woman makes a cost-benefit analysis and finds the risk of EMOTIONAL DAMAGE worth the prize. You might be! If so, well, go outside. If not, you're gonna have to be brave and do the unthinkable: talk to women and risk ridicule. Most women are nice, sweet and non-confrontational, at least IME, and if you know the least about women you can tell the bad apples apart easily, so give it a go.
How you do that is up to you. Like visibly enjoying hobbies, having an eccentric look, going for a fun personality, or being in cool locations. It also allows you to talk about something you personally enjoy.
People here talking about "props", and that's fair and dandy but only and only if you truly like or are into said props. Because you will attract people who are into that too, but also repel those who aren't. As a woman I never cared much about either people with dogs or babies. None of my business. But I have approached people with other animals or doing arts for example.
My recommendation would be to join a group activity and stick to it for a couple months. See how it goes, then switch to something else. It can be life drawing, bushwalking, patisserie, guitar, board games- you name it. This puts you back in control because the activity acts as the prop, and by context you are allowed to say "oh such nice drawings, how do you do xyz?" " Are those shoes good for walking?" "Do you bake often?" You start the conversation and it doesn't need to be personal at all. I'm always surprised to see normal people cross the line and start asking personal questions about me once I make it obvious that I'm open to conversation.
Until very recently, I had neon colored hair. Pink, blue, green, orange, purple, red; the whole rainbow. Changed it once every few months.
Women very frequently came up to me to compliment my hair and often would lead to conversations about where I got my dye, who did it, etc. like women stopping their cars in parking lots just to give me a compliment. More often than not it turned into a short convo, that usually ended around the time I mentioned my wife was the artist who did my hair.
Had I known this was a thing before I was married, I would have died my hair in a heartbeat.
I think it may have been a little disarming and was something unique enough that it was worth striking up a convo.
Can confirm, as a woman, this is a very good idea. Having brightly colored hair actually communicates a few things at once :
He’s confident enough to stand out
He’s at least a little more open-minded than average
He put some thought into his looks
He’s not the stuck-up fun-hating “alpha male” type
I cannot stress that last point enough. These days, every girl I know has her radar set to max to get as far as possible from “alpha males”, because they’re just incredibly annoying, self-important pricks. The more you can do to signal you’re not one of them, the better.
Where there's a will, there's a toupee . I am blessed with a full, thick, luscious dark blonde coupe, but everyone around being so negative about hairpieces made me think about them a lot... Following that, I have come to peace with the fact that I might go bald, and I might not like it, and rando hairpiece-haters around me won't stop me from going all 18th century on my new hairpiece.
My first own house was in the middle of a lot of cultures that are different from my own, and man did those folks LOVE changing their hair every few days, with pieces or otherwise. Every second shop was selling surrogate hair, and it looked very cool. I think that part of those cultures is fucking rad, and it inspired me to pre-emptively accept my own future toupee, if it ever comes to that.
Oh man, that makes me think back to college when I got an eyebrow piercing. I did it because I liked the looks but also as a social experiment, wondering how people’s reactions to me might change.
I expected the worst, but I found that it actually seemed to make most people approach me easier.
I think the less is that doing things that are highly visible draw attention. Some will be good, some will be bad, but it’s a conversation starter either way!
Use “social props.” I’m not sure if that’s a real term, but like the colored-hair guy said, it’s about creating an easy conversation starter and giving people “permission” to approach you. An interesting hat, reading a book where people can see the cover / title, a pet or a friend’s pet, doing a hobby like painting (you don’t have to be good at it), comic books, musical instrument, D&D manual, playing dominos…whatever! If someone wants to chat, just give them a small natural conversation starter and frequently look up from it, take breaks, smile; so they know it’s ok to interrupt you. If someone shows interest by a prolonged or repeated glance, just smile and say, “Hey are you into ‘whatever’ too?”
Otherwise just get trained in first aid, trip them, and carry around a bunch of bandaids and rubbing alcohol. The Florence Nightingale syndrome is sure to kick in as you tend to their wounds.
girls will signal to me that they might be open to having a conversation, but it's rare that one would directly initiate. the trick for me is recognizing the signals when i see them, and not hanging around for too long especially if it doesn't look like it's working out.
So now I need to get a Horga'hn tattoo or something. How will people know I seek Jahamaron? I can't believe I haven't already had this thought. This is obviously where I've been going wrong.
That's not something to buy or rent, that's something personal, something you carve yourself! Preferably on a sunny day in the park, where people can approach you about it. /s
Sorry I can't be genuinely helpful, I always just kinda slipped into my relationships and an generally quite, no, very clueless. All the best for OP though.
Probably the best thing I ever did to get random people to talk to me was growing a big curly handlebar moustache, now complimented with a long bushy beard.
My fashion choices also tend to make me stand out a bit- brightly colored Hawaiian shirts in the warmer months (I have one with pictures of the dog breed I have on it, that gets a lot of people approaching me,) occasionally a kilt (people love to ask about the kilt) interesting sunglasses, hats (used to wear a bowler occasionally, I'm less of a fan of it these days, panama hat in the summer, etc.)
Clothing and style choices are a little tricky. There's kind of a fine line between wearing something interesting that makes people want to talk to you and coming across as a fedora-wearing neckbeard who's trying too hard. Those choices have to look good on you, you have to like them and give off a bit of confidence while wearing them, and it has to be something that will catch the attention of the kind of person you want to attract.
And most importantly, you need to be able to carry a conversation from there. That's the hard part.
Having some story or a joke at the ready is a pretty good crutch to kind of get yourself over that last part. For example my go-to when people come up to me to compliment my beard/moustache is to joke that "I grew it myself" which is usually good for a chuckle, and then the ice is broken, and you can kind of try to steer the conversation from there.
I've had a lot of fun conversations with strangers and made a few friends along the way. I never personally had much luck turning that into a romantic relationship, but that was also never something I actively pursued much in general, I just kind of let things go from there and through friends who I met that way I eventually met my wife.
Way to miss the question, I know that works for some but for me it's not going to happen. Unless you can tell me why I can't take the role that never needs to initiate I'm not interested into being psyched up.
If you don't initiate, you rely on others to give you what you want. If you approach yourself, you're making what you want happen.
There is no "role that never needs to initiate". Women have always been initiating, just less than men and maybe in a more indirect way. If women want something, they also make sure to try and get it.
In the end, the only thing you're doing is not taking responsibility about your own happiness.
Unless you can tell me why I can't take the role that never needs to initiate
Because then it's simply out of your control if it ever happens. It's still out of your control if it ever works but having a say in when it happens gives you a massive advantage. Being able to approach someone also makes those instances where you're being approached far more comfortable. Not trying to make it sound like the other route can't work out at all but showing initiative is imo the easier route long term. And I say this as someone with social anxiety.
Relationships take effort, like all the time. If you are not willing to put effort into meeting someone, then you are not ready to be in a relationship.
You seriously need to analyze what kind of person you want to attract/ communicate with/ hook up with/ chill with..
Maybe try dating apps so you can filter what you want specifically out of a relationship.
But on the real, you need to open up and broaden your horizons. You can find relationships anywhere on this planet if you're willing to talk to people, show kindness and compassion.
Do this, and you will attract interest from random strangers who see you being wonderful, and want to be involved in whatever you are doing and / or saying.
Do something poorly/dangerous in the gym, attach yourself (politely) to the person who comes to help,
Or do something you're passionate about and offer your knowledge to people who are earnestly trying their best but not doing it well (be conscience and ask if they'd like your experience to guide them)
Alternatively go hang out at an old folks home, they'd love your company, they'll regail you with stories from their glory days, and they'll probably talk you up to their family.
Volunteer your time at animal shelters/public service events.
Re: the old folks home - sometimes people do volunteer singing groups for entertainment. If you like singing and are halfway OK at it (or at least sound good in a group), I recommend it if you find the opportunity, and like the kind of music old people may enjoy (I dig the Kingston Trio hard now, which was a wildly unexpected turn of events).
To this day, one of my favourite memories was doing one of these shows with an audience member going off about banging dudes under the boardwalk after we sang "Under the Boardwalk", smoking banana peels, and all sorts of things that made her my favourite person over 70 (sorry Grandma).
Hell yes! Grandma was wild! I love old person stories, so many of them are fabricated, but also so many that I think are fabricated turn out to be legitimate. Oh you did party with (famous people from back in the day)? No shit...
attach yourself (politely) to the person who comes to help
This probably explains some of the interactions I've had when all I wanted to do is to help someone in need. Not in the gym, but mostly in the streets. Like someone getting lost, and offering to show them the way. Or offering my seat to the elderly.
But really, being helpful sometimes is all it takes for give someone the reason to talk to you (and vice versa). Not that I managed to be in a relationship with this kind of a start.
I hate it as a tactic that's been used on me, but darn if it isn't effective. Also I genuinely appreciate people who offer their advice when I'm doing something foolishly, but my actions are from a place of genuine ignorance, not trying to catch someone into my friend circle.
Get a dog, or a child; they’re chick-magnets. Even if not your own. Maybe you could take a nephew/niece/whatever to the playground once a week? Walk the neighbour’s dog for a few blocks? As someone else said, once there’s a prop, they’re not approaching you directly, they’re interacting with a common interest, and that’s a good way to meet people.