Most hexbears are stand up chaps and under normal circumstances we get along great. The main issue as far as I’m concerned is that their posting culture does not align with what I want out of my Lemmy experience.
Basically, they are fighters. They run around the fediverse picking ten arguments at a time, getting in people’s faces, escalating moderation decisions to instance admins and generally have zero chill.
Me, I like to hang out with chill people and relax and shoot the shit about video games and stuff. Yes yes I know western imperialism bad, but after the fifth time I’m done with the topic.
I checked Hexbear a couple of times in the last weeks and although they brand themselfs as some lefty/communist/socialist community, I always thought it felt more like some edgelords being against for the sake of being against. Also the tone is pretty rude and made me think of certain Subreddits I usually avoided back when I was on Reddit.
Go check what's happening on shitjustworks instance currently and say that again. It's absolutely not just a problem of "posting culture", that's downplaying who they are and what they do.
They're just straight up toxic 99% of the time and they don't seem to want to do anything about it. It's a resounding echo of a sentiment on most Lemmy instances that it is how they act and yet, I still see weird and factually wrong takes like this.
They run around the fediverse picking ten arguments at a time, getting in people’s faces, escalating moderation decisions to instance admins and generally have zero chill.
This is, for most people including me, toxic behavior. They have a toxic posting culture.
yet, I still see weird and factually wrong takes like this.
It helps if you engage with the “takes” before you label them.
They're a bunch of tankies who dogpile, sealion, and brigade at basically any opportunity.
They literally have a community on their website dedicated to shitting on people they disagree with while having rules that require you to provide a link to them and not having a rule against interacting unless it's with instance admins. They'll defend it saying it's not for brigading but it's obvious what it's for. "This isn't for brigading," then doesn't condemn brigading when it happens.
My general experience is that they are obnoxious and combative and is working to make "the libs" have a bad time on Lemmy and when they are mentioned with these kinds of post they fill them saying that they are just some silly spicy boys in the hope that it will fool the people that are yet to meet them in the wild.
They’re just trolls. They say their communist, but I haven’t seen any evidence other than they say they hate capitalism. But who doesn’t nowadays? Really they’re anarchists with nothing more to do.
Imagine the worst right wing trump supporter spouting off crazy shit and trying to get you pissed off. That’s them, but the left side.
They also like to team up and have multiple accounts.
Buuut… they usually hate all the same things I do, so it’s hard to hate them too. 🤷♂️
In short, tankies that won’t shut up and stop shoehorning themselves into every conversation. Feel free to block every user that will inevitably reply to this comment about how I’m not Trotskij-pilled and really a bourgeoisie Jeff Bezos semen demon, or some stupid shit like that.
They're annoying, like over-caffeinated teenagers, and they like to use what I presume are something like Twitch emotes that don't work outside of hexbear, which looks really stupid.
I don't think they're evil or anything, but they're just so universally awful to deal with that I can fully support immediate no-questions-asked defederation. They're the fediverse equivalent of a decent enough guy who just fucking reeks because they refuse to ever shower or wear deodorant.
Unfortunately they are very in your face unless you fully submit to their view. They belittle your efforts if it is anything but outright revolution, cheer on horrible regimes and deny genocides. Very US centric point of view.
Of course it is not all of them, but that's what you will experience very soon if you interact with them, because it is a radicalized echo chamber let loose.
Our instance actually managed to get defederated from them though. Although it wasn't handled well from either side they seriously only dish out, but can't take a hit. I won't say that nothing of value was lost, because there were a few moderate users and of course some interesting content might be lost, but overall my lemmy experience got better without them.
I think a lot of the backlash is because people are used to being inside their comfortable echo chambers where dissenting voices are totally marginalised and they felt like their opinions were universally shared among sensible people.
With federation, those echo chambers are interacting with each-other a lot more than they usually would, on relatively equal footing, and being confronted by the idea that other people think that your opinions are shit and that you tacitly support some evil practice is an uncomfortable feeling! The natural inclination is to reject that sort of experience as a jerk who is intentionally trolling you, personally, because they’re wrong or brainwashed or whatever.
The reality is that we’re all just flawed people who aren’t very good at dealing with our emotions and it’s a lot easier to blame and banish someone who disagrees with us than to talk to them and come to a consensus. But the latter is how we actually solve our conflicts.
We have a lot more in common with each-other than separates us.
I would be happy to answer your question, but these things can be quite complex - would you help me by letting me know what you understand fascism to mean, and what you understand communism to mean? It’s important that we establish mutual agreement on the meaning of those terms before we can really discuss further!
Lemmy is mostly leftists and communists and it seems that patience is running thin on how some very active reactionary HB's behave against the ideologies. There are also cool & funny leftists there but they get lost in noise.
I jump to the defense of hexbear because, well ... I like them.
They're spicy.
I've seen some truly heinous, ignorant, repugnant shit on here but it's never actually been from hexbear users.
(it's been from lemmygrad users)
hexbear users have been outspoken and unapologetically staunch in defending their positions, but never outright bloodthirsty or antagonistic.
or at least, maybe my sarcasm detection is being more generous than it's supposed to be, and registering false positives...? because to my view I've seen hexbears JOKE about some dark shit, but it never came across as unironically hostile to me.
but anyway, my opinion alone won't sway the outcome. if the consensus forms firmly against hexbear, i'll just have to roll with that outcome. But i'd miss 'em, I would.
Yeah I think your sarcasm detector is being too generous to them.
Here's a link to a thread (specifically a comment about why they federated) where they are talking about a recent rule change in regards to their rules of conduct.
One of the admins response to the comment is pretty telling.
Basically being, "keep doing what you're doing just don't do so in instance meta threads."
Honestly sorting the thread by "top" is also pretty telling on their opions.
Personally I enjoy their antics, I prefer their brand to the one of the right wing circle jerk and if they manage to impede theirs I am more than fine about them.