"It's free real estate"

See also: bike lanes. See also: rideshare/delivery drivers.

I just broke my arm in 4 pieces because I had to dodge a moron who decided to suddenly park on the bus/bike lane IN A FUCKING TUNNEL

Break my arm in 4 pieces This is my last resort
- Are you asking me to?

And they they get pissed if you tell them

It's Free Real Estate.

If not park, why park shaped?

Reminds me that just recently I heard they equipped busses with automatic "AI assisted" detection in their lanes. In very little time they've issued 10k tickets, though.

https://laist.com/news/transportation/la-metro-bus-ai-cameras-transportation

....I can actually get behind that.
- Sure, but you'll get a fine for being in the bus lane.
They've had them on busses in London for years now. They seem to be highly effective. I'm not sure if they are fully automated, or driver triggered however. Either way, they have trained people that stopping or using a bus lane is a bad idea.
Oh look, a use of AI and surveillance I can actually get being.
- We used to just call these "Automated", nowadays we called everything with slightly automation an "AI".
- A tool is a tool. Main problem are the tools using the tools, usually.

Just looked what it would cost if you get caught doing that here in the Netherlands, answer: 159 euros. Good, but should be higher.

As all fines, it should be income adjusted. I wanna see a 5000€ fine when some rich asshole does this.
- Adjusted to the initial sale value of the car - Less easy to cheat by not declaring income, and bigger cars (likely more expensive) that take up more space, pay more.
- I agree with that, but can immediately see a loophole in it - that some rich folks are not reporting actual income.
- It should be income adjusted up to a certain income amount where it becomes net worth adjusted. This way stocks, land, properties and possessions can be calculated in to make the fines more impactful for the ultra wealthy.
  
  Along with adjustments for not changing behaviors after previous fines.
- Yeah. It’s kind of ignorant to expect the same fine for say a disabled person unable to work who scrapes by on 900 euros a month vs a super wealthy person on 500k euros a year.
  
  Fines shouldn’t really exist anyways. When for one person they’re a random expense that doesn’t even bat an eye vs for another person it means no food for a week.
  
  Even progressive fines are unfair. In that for someone who barely affords food every week losing 2% of your monthly income is devastating. While for a rich person they won’t even notice losing 2% of their income.
- Fuck a fine. Take their licence and impound their car until they've passed a written test.
- Remember this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1759791.stm

I feel like if a car is parked in a bus lane or bike lane, people should be allowed to do what they want to it. Sure , go ahead and park there, I've got my baseball bat ready.

All it takes is a bit of fines and the issue is fixed
- Yeah in the Netherlands nobody would even try to park in a buslane or bicycle path, because you'd either get a fine or you will be towed and that we'll probably cost you 350 euros or more.

Just equip the buses with snow plows.

Why would already parked cars move into the buss lane??

Is there a version of that Casey Neistat video but with buses? Sounds like a fun watch.

Which one? I only recently decided to watch his vids after a decade of hearing that name, it's interesting.
- It's how he first blew up: Bike Lanes by Casey Neistat
  
  I have only ever seen his bike-related stuff (and accidentally rewatched them all today...), they're all great!