To be fair, we basically just elected a Biden-style neoliberal who is slightly to the right of Trudeau. As affordability continues to gradually decline, our Trump (Poilievre) or a similar guy will be even more empowered. We're basically a few years behind the USA right now and your right are actively trying to speed it up.
The liberal party should pass the electoral reform they promised so more political parties can compete on who can beat conservatives the best.
Stopping the conservatives is the priority... right?
The liberal party honors their promises... right?
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
did you forget the voting reform referendum the liberals already gave us?
I really like what Australia does for voting, their system is fascinating and makes me wonder how it would do in Canada
That’s why the 2-party system is so flawed. I used to be so gullible to think that if everyone keeps voting for the left party then the parties overall would sway more left in their future policies, but that is impossible in the capitalistic hellhole we live in.
I’m still a bit baffled it doesn’t work.
Like, the Left not doing enough SHOULD lead the right to decide “Dang, we need a message that appeals. Let’s blame the rich, and champion power over corporations!” But…instead they blame nonsensical things, promise nothing, and appeal to hatred, and get more than one vote.
That should just…never happen. That faction should be gonezo, making plenty of room for an independent party.
Good thing there were 5 parties in this election. We got another minority prime minister, which will need to work on the left of what they would.
I’m on record as saying even if the US had elected Harris, we’d be right back on the precipice four years after. Maybe Trump, maybe someone else, but it would still be awful.
As badly as the world needs Luigi right now, he’s not the long term solution.
The world doesn't need one Luigi, it needs many Luigis. And a complete societal overturn.
We're basically a few years behind the USA right now
People said that when Trump was elected the first time.
We also destroyed the other smaller parties. I feel like we're basically a two party system at this point.
I'm not gonna congratulate Canada on not completely shitting the bed. The Canadians were going to vote in a Trump-like conservative until Trump started banging on about Canada being the 51st state. If Trump kept his mouth shut, it would have been curtains for the Liberal party.
Canadians did not vote for the Liberals based on their record or policies, they voted to tell Trump to fuck off. The moment Trump is no longer a threat, the unity dies and everything swings back to the Conservatives, which isn't a good thing.
Yeah, as someone from the shit hole to the south, I was very relieved Canada didn't go in the populist, right wing, direction it was looking like. I am hoping the failure of the trump administration instigates a push back to the general trend right that has been going on in the west. My bigger, less likely hope, is that we can reflect on what happened and actually address the popularity of fascism.
Yeah it was a close election. We absolutely did not reject Trump with any consensus. There's not as much to celebrate people think.
What people don't know is the Conservatives here have had a revolving door of leaders in search of a Trump-like candidate. The past several election cycles have been this way. The party has sold their soul to MAGA style politics a long time ago.
They just had the best showing ever in this election even though it was a loss. And this is with the best Trump wannabe candidate they've managed to field thus far. A belligerent authoritarian-like tyrant with zero shame. They are not going to stop this any more than the Republicans would to turn back from Trump. They may even keep the current guy even though he lost his own seat.
Canada will inevitably elect a conservative government. It's a defacto two party system. It will all go to hell. Especially if MAGA is still ruling America at the same time.
I'm glad we can drop the fucking bravado and acknowledge this now. We need to in order to survive.
With any luck the Conservatives will split back into two parties. It's unlikely, but the splitting of the Conservatives would be a welcome surprise.
There the People Party of Canada that has been a home to those who think the Conservatives aren’t racists, transphobes and conspiracy nut jobs enough
Some people joke about Carney's lack of a "celebrity charisma", or being "too boring".
Tells you all you need to know about why the US is going through its current "historic chapter".
Better to have an economist learn how to be a politician, than a politician learn to be an economist. Too many countries allow themselves and their parliaments devolve into complete fish markets where the person talking the loudest, or getting the cheapest "gotcha" moment, are deemed to be "awesome".
Give me boring, please. "interesting times" are only good to learn about in history books, not as they happen.
I already see Canadian tankies complaining about how right-wing Carney is.
- fuck tankies
- i DO think it is fair to lament that the state of the world has anyone in a place where they must strategically vote for a fucking banker to protect you from something worse
The Canadian Overton Window shifts to the right, regardless.
I'm not sure I'm following but I want to, Carney was a banker which is bad but he is considered a necessary evil against Trump? I would totally understand that, as Canada might be really fucked without a good leader right now. I suppose this banker will need to prove himself, but if you an actor has been able to protect Ukraine (most of it) against Russia a banker doesn't sound like a bad choice.
That aside, do people here think Carney is equally left/right as Trudeau was or do you think the liberals will have very different direction under his leadership?
I mean the guy is a straight laced professor of economics who wrote his thesis on the advantage of competition. He's not exactly a working class hero. However, it could have been way worse and anyone who can't see that just needs to look at the US to find out what happens when you don't vote for the lesser of two evils.
Lesser of two evils, lesser of two intellects, lesser of two personalities, lesser of two qualifications, lesser of two accomplishments, we did all of that and then some. I'm happy for you all. I just wish we could have also rejected fascism.
you don’t have to be an authcom to see that carney is to the right of trudeau; he canceled the carbon tax, the capital gains tax hike, and is in favor of building more oil pipelines
no matter who won, canada would shift to the right. all we could do is decide by how much.
(and either way, all 3 of them - trudeau, carney and poilievre - are neolibs who support the genocide in palestine)
He cancelled the carbon tax because the name had been beaten up by the Conservatives. He promised to replace it with something similar but more palatable to the general public. I loved the carbon tax but agree that half the population was against it because pretty much they hated the name.
Just for clarification, he cancelled the consumer carbon tax. It was pretty much just a move to screw over PP (and I’m all for that honestly)
You don't have to be a tankie to see that Carney is a red tory.
Anything to the left of the Liberals is "tankies" now?
Stephen Harper when he was leader of the Conservative Party offered Mark Carney a position as Finance Minister.
So Conservatives sure thought he was far enough to the right to be a Conservative.
Ah, the enlightened centrist has bestowed the ultimate and correct opinion.
Fuck tankies too. Many Canadians are understandably concerned that a guy slightly to the right of the status quo which gave rise to Poilievre is not going to make anything better for us.
The really irritating thing to me is seeing the Trumpanzees mock Canada, talking like this is the end of Canada as a country.
No self-awareness, no realization that Trump's policies are the direct cause of this. They can't conceive of any way to advance their interests beyond people just abasing themselves before Trump.
Canada has had 0.7% per capita GDP growth since 2015. Which puts us 2nd last only to Luxembourg in all 38 countries of the OECD.
We elected a person who said oil needs to stay in the ground in their book, who wants to grow population at more than 450k a year (1% cap, plus births) to prop up GDP despite the current high unemployment and the severe housing shortage, and who wants to join Germany and the UK in spinning up solar and wind which clearly did not go well for either of them.
https://newsletter.doomberg.com/p/let-ed-run-it
Through that lens I could see how they could be fearful of Canada's demise, especially if we have another 10 years like the last. Gross government debt also somehow doubled since 2015 as well to achieve this lethargic growth, before subtracting pensions to create the net debt figure the government generally uses.
Then theres yesterdays Alberta separation fear with bill 54, and the fact Alberta contributes significantly more to Ottawa than any other province. As tariffs have a chance to wipe out manufacturing and you'll be asking Alberta to contribute even more to fund unemployed auto workers and the like, after some provinces block Alberta's access to new trade routes, I could see some clear catalyst for separation. Which would put Canada in a deeply negative current account balance and would be the end of Canada as we know it now.
Sure, sure, but, if politics were sane, Carney would have been the conservative nominee and there would have been no fear of fascism.
Friggin love this meme template. Why was that little boy so mad? What did he want to do that day instead of getting his pictures taken? I relate, little dude.
I think they are headshots for an acting resume. So he is upset about being a child celebrity
Canadian conservatives are 40% of the voters. That's already way to much. And they using the trump book more and more: lie, lie and blame the left for fucking anything, some things will sticks. Even if I'm glad he was elected to deal the american shit show, the guy is still a fucking banker who's first action was to remove the carbon taxe. While we have to deal with the toddler from south who wants to annex us, the climate crisis wont fix itself magically.
I'm ashamed of some of the regions of Québec that voted Conservative. Being from rural Montérégie but now living in Montréal is like two different worlds when it comes to politics. The riding where most of my family lives was won by the Bloc Québecois but followed by the Conservatives. The riding next to it was won by the Conservatives.
I hate to admit it, but if it were not for the Bloc Québecois, there would probably be even more people here voting for the Conservatives.
I was watching a video of an american that lives abroad saying he is trying to get a new nationality at the country he lives at, because he thinks the country, and other countries as well, may not want americans around for much longer. He said he's afraid things may escalate. I thought that was so crazy! how fast you can go from feeling safe and privileged to suddanly feeling like you are hated by everyone. 100 DAYS!
Looking at quite a few reactions from other countries, a lot of them seem to want to brain drain the hell out of the US.
I mean, I'm down, I want to get off Mr. bones' Wild Ride.
Please brain drain me, I hate this country, it is a fascist shithole doomed to repeat over and over again with endless bumper crops of naive but extremely confident libertarians and conservatives who shout down any kind of adult nuanced conversation and flip randomly between being manipulated by their own racism that they loudly and violently deny and reinventing basic things very badly while refusing to learn anything from previous people who tried the same thing.
Looking from outside I see it more like single people being afraid. I've seen some people wanting to come back because they are afraid. When you have a harvard grad taken from the street it's really hard to feel like investing in a career in the US. It's just unstable for outsiders (even if we know white people don't have to worry about it)
The expressions are correct. It was waaay too close for comfort.
Also, Mexico
The propaganda train remains strong up here regardless. Half of the west is losing their mind every day pretending that Carney is some kind of secret nightmare that is going to soon be revealed, thus we've all shit the bed and will rue the day.
Yeah, our smug cloud has completely dissipated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmG64mVQV3g
It's the peak of privilege to celebrate "normalcy".
Peak privilege is to demand things to be absolutely perfect and refuse to except gradual improvements.
It's such a depressingly low bar to elect a gilded to the tits finance guy and pretend that's normal.
Carney bounced from Bank of Canada to Bank of England to UN Special Envoy focused on glad-handing petro-states in the fumbled effort to address climate change. He's a career bag man for big business. In the vast majority of other countries would be - at best - center right.
But in Canada, this is what passes for a normal liberal.
That tracks, because the Liberals are centre right
