Would that even pay to get the damn baby out of the hospital with insurance?
$5,000 is a lot to those braindead morons who insist that "nobody wants to work" because they're still living comfortably off of a few $1,400 checks from half a decade ago...
Trade:
- One person's wages
For:
- Mortgage payments on a reasonably sized house
- All bills
- Food for two adults plus children
- Entertainment
Then you might see more babies.
It was their greed that caused this.
They sure do act like it's the 1930s alright...
What are the odds this is just Clinton's $5,000 Baby Bond, which was just giving them a fund at birth that they can cash out when they turn 18?
Except this time there's no guardrails and he can give it to all his cryptobro friends.
Daycare is free where I live. It has to be. You can't expect people to pay for public services themselves; that's done with taxes. Corporations can't have customers or employees without people, and to get people to make more people, you have to make it easier for them. So what makes the most sense is cutting corporation porfits, which they don't need past a limit if they aren't investing in things that will benefit the public. So if a corporation isn't doing anything good, raise their taxes, use them to pay for daycare.
So weird. These are the same imbiciles complaining about welfare babies.
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A: This is the 'bad' kind of incentive. My mom worked in a hospital where people would come in pregnant, tons of neglected kids in tow, asking how much wellfare they could get for the next kid. Stuff like vouchers for school, care, healthcare and stuff doesn't incentive that.
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B: It's hilariously inadequate and out-of-touch. $5K for childcare these days is a joke, even as a nice supplement.
...But that's the point. This is for show, like Trump's COVID checks with his signature on them. It's a brand to tell people "Hey! I'm Trump, and I'm helping you!" directly, a decent idea poorly implemented for PR purposes. It's also hilariously hypocritical, seeing how much 'blank check hand-outs' were criticized for decades.
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Ah yes, the conservatives plan to boost the birth rate has finally come to bear a rotten fruit:
- People can't afford to have kids
- People can't afford to feed kids
- People can't afford to shelter kids
- Therefore they won't have able bodied kids to keep the retirement and tax doles fulfilled
- Nor will they have able bodied soldiers for war
But they're boosting the birth rate! (they aren't, actually, the rate will be even more in decline since the replacement rate in the US was held up by immigration like in most countries, and dumbfuck's actions have brought a stop to that).
I wonder how they'll make it so it only applies to "Aryan" children. Hitler did the same shit.
Wages have not kept up with productivity and GDP increases since the 1970s.
How about making single income middle class families possible again, so you can have one stay at home parent.
They just cut head start, slashed medicade(51% of us babies are born on this program), no medicade no pediatric care for your baby either, cut hud, slashed the department of education, blocked student loan forgiveness, are dismantling the aca preventative care mandate, gutting worker protections, canceling child labor laws, laid off 275,000 workers and destroyed their livelihood and tanked the economy ……yea the birth rate is going to plummet. 5k lol doesn’t even cover a fraction of the utter devastation coming to American families from these moronic policies. Who in their right mind would want to bring a child into this racist sexist tech bro oligarchy?
That won’t even cover half of the (insured) cost of even the smoothest birth with my plan, and I work for a multi-billion dollar company.
This country, man. Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.
That looks more like 50k, 5k can easily go in pants pockets.
The average cost of delivering a baby in the US, including pre- and post-delivery expenses, is roughly $18,865. However, this figure can vary significantly, just gotta come up with the other 14000 dollars lol do Amerikans know other countries don't gouge their citizens for everything including birth? Land of the fee home of the slave
Adoption services are going to go wild! Hospitals too with infant detox programs. It's the new plasma!
They're not making policy for people who can do math.
Clinton Floats $5,000 Baby Bond
~ September 28, 2007
It's nice to know these two are still in touch.
Based on data presented here: https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-true-cost-of-raising-a-child
It takes a minimum of $200K USD to raise a child from birth to 18; which works out to ~$1K/mo.
If the Government were serious in wanting to address the aging population issue, the best way to tackle it would be to provide family funding at this level for a family’s first ~3 children.
Would it be expensive? Absolutely it would be in the initial term - but the increase in economic activity would arguably more than cover it in the long run.
Would it lead to inflation? Not if the costs were derived from taxes due to the government (which currently get dodged), rather than through national debt.
Would it lead to a positive outcome for the nation? Arguably yes, but there may also be unintended consequences to the negative. Human greed knows no bounds, after all.
monkey paw finger curls You get free healthcare coverage and half minimum wage for each child just for existing. However, you and your child must renounce your citizenship, forfeit your passport, and accept indentured servant status until you can buy back your citizenship after repaying the government child support in full.
My personsl hypothesis is that when couples are living in times of prosperity or growth, they can see a future and can comfortably grow a pension, then they are likely to consider having kids. This also happens to be the time they are getting a share of the wealth society generates.
In recession and uncertain times, couples tend to hold of on getting kids, and if they do get kids, they do it much later in life, when they have saved some money.
Of course couples need free time as well. If both parents need to work full time, it's gonna be a lot less palatable to have kids.
I think the global low fertility is the problem of infinite growth self correcting.
You can't clothe a baby for a year with $5k? We did it for basically fuck all. Had a load of stuff handed on from other parents, got some stuff from ebay and in sales. The fuck are you dressing the kid in, solid gold? Also how much is this person spending on diapers? There is no way you're spending $5k on nappies and clothes for a baby in one year, utter lunacy. Not that I agree with anything that Trump does, but this seems like a huge overreaction. I'm not from the US so I don't know how expensive this stuff is over there, but if it really costs this much to clothe one baby for a year then fuck me and I'm shocked.
With the tariffs that hardly helps.
After he rolls this out he'll start pushing to drop the child tax credit arguing, "they already get so much investment up front. They're so greedy."
Have 4 kids.
5k is couch money when you have kids. It'll maybe take care of a few months of daycare. Now if you're on gov assistance and make next to nothing? This will be great, but don't expect to get a job or climb out of poverty with 5k. A kid will eat that up super fast.
More ineffective Band-Aids.
The core issues never get addressed. Prices keep going up.
And those issues will get worse under a corpo like Trump.
Thanks, feminism.
Are these those welfare babies Republicans always screeeched about?
Spending money on families hasn't been shown to help in any way whatsoever in increasing the birth rate. You have countries with close to free day care and generous monthly child subsidies with the same or even much lower fertility rate as countries that give just about nothing at all. I still support these kinds of policies just for the sake of helping families and their kids, but doing it for the only purpose of helping the fertility rate is futile. Honestly I don't think the government can do much at all to help the fertility rate. It's a cultural issue first and foremost. And the government can't (and I think shouldn't!) do much to change the culture of our society. You see people living in poverty with 9 kids just because they belong to a certain religious or ethnic group who values children above all else. That's the main issue. How important is children to the culture? Is it prestigious to be a dad or a mom? Is personal success measured in how you've built your family or is success measured in how much money you make?
I dunno what kind of diaper prices you've got in the US, but $5,000 covers diapers 10 times over in a year where I live... Should probably cover food as well, I would think?
as always, trump's face is in it.
they should have plated the purse in gold to complete the package.
I sometimes joke with my kids and call them Lamborghini 1 and 2, because that's how much money it was suggested you would need for each kid, and I'm sure that has doubled or tripled by now.
I mean I like the direction, but this is far cry from other countries.
Give us UHC, improve working rights, guaranteed housing for parents, daycare.
But Its good they at least bringing it up.
Well, in a couple of years, some countries more than 50% of the population will be retired. Even a perfect democracy would not pass a law to improve young people’s lives so they can have time and money to have kids.
Just like in a perfect democracy, no affordable housing law will be approved because 66% of the population are homeowners.
Its unsolvable.
instead of DEPENDING on GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS new parents should be GRATEFUL someone is WILLING to be GENEROUS and provide them with such GOODWILL. America is WINNING again under PRESIDENT TRUMP
@BigMacHole@lemm.ee am I doing it right?
hospital bill will likely be 10x that
Lmao no it doesn't
Americans aren't that stupid
This is a great summary of exactly why I won't have kids. I don't want to spend all my waking hours working so a billionaire can afford a private island.
This is such a classic fascist play, get your bingo cards out ladies
Add an extra zero to that. Then we might consider
Let them get braces.
Nobody can afford health care and they want us in the office no remote work making it even more difficult. It's almost like they want to run us all into the ground while they sit on gold toilets and enrich themselves beyond all measure of reason. Oh and they're building bunkers in New Zealand, the billionares pulling the strings so when they get us into a nuclear war you won't hear from them again.
Putin did the same thing, he aware 16k equivalent for having 10+ children .
