Mark my words: they will put Kamala 2.0. or Gavin in the race for president instead of AOC or any other progressive.

I love the hate the DNC gets now. I'm also confused how the DNC's mandate isnt to be entirely apolticial.

If it is not Bernie, AOC I ain't going to vote. Also ain't voting for anyone funded by AIPAC.

Gavin Newsom may sound smart, but he's got his hands in your pockets stealing your money to feed the rich, kinda like the current emperor in chief.

Y'all know there's still house and some Senate elections coming up next year right?

You know what would show America and the Democrats (and Republicans for that matter) that Americans are finally serious about a 3rd party candidate? Supporting and electing 3rd party candidates in the House and Senate.

Ok, I try to be polite, and I generally agree you don't win arguments by saying shitty things, but whoever downvoted this is either a bad actor or has rocks for brains. I'm sorry to be so crass, but it needed to be said.

If only there were elections being held between 2025 and 2028 with less at stake than a presidential election. That way Americans on the left and right could come together and prove to the establishment parties that they would actually show up to vote for a 3rd party candidate for a presidential election.

Oh shit! I'm a total klutz and I dropped this list of states with Governor and AG elections between 2025 and 2028

OH NO! I fumbled and spilled this list of 33 of the 100 six-year term (Jan 2027-2033) Senate seats up for election on Nov 3, 2026.

Fuck, I'm such a butterfingers! There goes the list of midterm elections also on Nov 3, 2026 where representatives from all 435 congressional districts across each of the 50 U.S. states, as well as five of the six non-voting delegates from the District of Columbia and the inhabited U.S. territories will be chosen.

It would be such a shame if angry Americans used this information to get involved in local politics and promoted ethical candidates who weren't purchased by a corporation ASAP

DNC will throw the election before putting a progressive into the race

This is why the primary will be so important, and why Biden basically handed the win to Trump by pushing Harris instead of having a primary.

Sadly, you are correct. Neither Kamala nor Gavin can win. But I'd prefer Kamala to Gavin, which is how bad Gavin is.

AOC is a clear choice, I'd say Bernie but I'm already tired of old people in power.

AOC is young, in touch with actual issues, in touch with the generations that are moving the economy, knows the struggle since she used to be a waitress and so far I haven't seen her go crazy on anyone else's agenda or buying stocks and enriching herself beyond measure like damn old hag Pelosi.

We all like AOC here on Lemmy, but are enough of the old ass "liberals" going to join us so she can actually get elected? Seems highly unlikely to be honest.

I'd love to see it happen though. That's what primaries are for. The Dems should try one of those. It's been a while.

Can we do ranked choice primaries?

The great thing about the orange turd- gurgler, is that he's so bad, even the bad democrats might be popular enough to elect in enough numbers to have the majority to get things done - if our republic survives.

My thinking is that we need the dems that we can get into office, then work on replacing them with better ones, as we go. The moderates definitely need to go away... enough with the "meeting in the center," when the center is always moving to the right.

The voters need to have realistic expectations as well - we've been in decline since the '70s - it won't be fixed in 4 or 8 years, but nothing is going to be fixed at all, so long as corporations and billionaires are in charge.

I'm a progressive, but also a pragmatist and a realist, and I find these kind of complaints unhelpful and naive. Politics is a blood sport and it always has been. No one is going to hand AOC the reins of power. She has to win them, and her opponents aren't going to play fair. This is, sadly, how the game is played. Don't mourn. Organize!

I haven't heard bad stuff about Gavin Newsom. Did he turn corporate when I wasn't paying attention?

Tim Waltz is your best bet here. White man, can peel off MAGA for change but still stay "pure". We have to get past the deep south rooted haters that hate POC, women and anything not white/Christian.

Obama was the Trump of the Dem party. Now you gotta play balance, sadly.

The supervillains are still in charge thinking up ways to destroy anyone and anything opposing them to ensure the superiority of their greedoid ultraconservatism, while the supposedly "enlightened" people who are supposed to fight those bastards as a united front are instead fighting over recriminations, ideological rivalries, and supposed levels of moral purity.

Isn't there enough bad things happening right now to complain about? This is a totally imaginary scenario that is years away and you're all ruining your day a little bit more by engaging with it.

WHY?

It is totally wasted energy. Total waste of time. Counter productive to your political goals. Encouraging a culture of fixating on problems you have no idea how to solve. Bonding over helplessness and apathy.

You know a lot of canvasers are thinking about ditching the dems and going independant? You could encourage them, you could become one of them, you could help give them arguments and counter narratives, make memes, shitpost for a good cause, post in mixed comment sections where half the people hate you and fish for an even mix of upvotes to downvotes - that's how you know you're reaching people! Take a little pleasure in becoming unbotherable.

Also, counter narratives are great because you don't have to substantiate anything. ' ICE is deporting random innocent people to fill quotas ' - your move, rightoids, I spent five seconds writing that and one braincell. Zero effort and they might end up spending 100x the effort countering it. God knows I've been on the other side of that. It's a brilliant rhetorical tactic.

You don't even have to keep arguing, you can just post 'sounds dumb' or 'bad argument' or nothing at all and just leave!

Bots wouldn't exist if posting comments on the internet didn't do anything. And even doing nothing is better than perpetuating misery-posting culture in the online left.

Tony Benn said that the job of the left is to 1) anger people and 2) inspire hope. We need to get a lot better at the second one.

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Just to clarify, I also hate the Dems lmao

But people are stupid and they DID vote wrong. They had a choice and they chose wrong.

Yes, let's get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they'll do!

If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we're fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.

harm reduction is a thing that you can support.

Dems are 0 and 2 when squaring off a Woman against a right wing ultranationalist.

so long as there are people like Trump on the other side, I dont think the Dems will ever run a woman again.

It isn't about change.

it will be interesting to see who their media will be blaming since the anti-genocide and LGBTQ+ people will be either in prison or deported or stripped from their rights to vote.

Because DNC are controlled opposition.

If we want to make it more likely for a progressive to win the nomination, taking grassroots action now can make a big difference.

Are you looking to get involved to make a difference in the two party system? Get more progressives in office? Enable progressives to be the future face of the Democrat Party in your state? Then the biggest thing I can recommend would be joining an organization such as the Equal Vote Coalition. Their goal is to get better voting systems in place across the country, moving away from First Past the Post which has locked us into our two party system. Alaska and Maine have already succeeded in moving away from First Past the Post voting.

If we take action now, we can potentially get the voting system changed locally or on the state level for many of us before the midterm elections. Then as we continue to make progress, by the time 2028 rolls around we could safely pick our preferred candidates first and have safe backup candidate options so our preferred candidate(s) have a much greater chance at winning.

Help start a ballot initiative in your state here.

This whole discussion has been a fascinating read in the comments.

But does anyone really think we're going to have another election? Much less a non-rigged election?

Did you listen to the latest tiff between David Hogg and James Carville?

Carville really wants to push progressives out of the Democratic party while keeping their heads in the sand. I think his last rant was because Hogg wants to replace existing Dems (Carville says he should be replacing Republicans). However, I think Hogg wants to do this because these Dems aren't really doing anything and waiting to pick up the pieces from this Trump administration. I think agree more with Hogg that it's more important to show the people that you represent them rather than be like: "we're not the Republicans".

I'm not an entire fan of Hogg though, he seems a bit inconsistent but I agree with him here.

To be clear, people should have voted for the Democrats. We're all in the position we're in because not enough people did. Would you get what you want? No. But we still wouldn't be in the mess otherwise. I mean, assuming the election wasn't stolen.

That being said, all these older people that don't seem interested in fighting for their people need to be purged from the Democrats. I don't know if it's because they're really old or out of touch or what. There's a thirst for people to want representation for them to fight (as seen by the AOC and Bernie rallies). I think their inactivity isn't helping for the most part. Also, they need to get some more names out there.

Not a chance in Hell Gavin gets it

If you don't like trump and you didn't vote, then you're to blame.

My country has compulsory voting so nobody has an excuse

You do know that "they" do not pick the candidates right? It is called a primary election and it is where anyone registered in the party can go and vote for WHO they want to be the candidate. It is the part of the election that is voted on by the tiniest little minority of both parties but has the absolute biggest impact on the race.

You don't like the shit ass candidate for your party? If you did not vote in the primaries then you have no right to complain. Go vote in the primaries and complain away. Otherwise suck it up and suffer, just like all the non voters who are hating Trump at the moment. Got no one to blame but yourselves.

I still feel like the dnc is going to lean heavy into Buttigieg. He's young, an eloquent speaker, a sharp debater. He clearly is down to play ball with the dnc establishment as they want him to (stepped aside for Biden to get a cabinet position) , and they hope that he's baggage free enough (Kamala and her Marijuana prosecutions) that progressives will vote for him. Yes, he's gay, and the hardcore magats won't like that, but I think older suburban voters would rather have someone sane that's gay than insane and straight.

Democrats would rather lose their power "temporarily" than lose their influence permanently with a progressive.

We need a third party like four months ago. We are running out of time to challenge the standing democrats.

harris is polling at like the second most popular frontrunner for 2028 it's delusional to think if harris gets the nomination it's because she wasn't popular

Who’s they?

Okay but the point is they should've been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win.

Of course they will. Liberalism is a center-right ideology, they're closer to fascists than leftists.

Friendly reminder that the goal behind posting memes like this is to instill a sense of cynicism and discourage political participation from people who hold progressive values. A key indicator here is the use of the nefarious-but-nebulous "they" which is commonly used in antisemitic-coded "globalist" or "cabal" conspiracy theories.

Democracy in America is unequal and unfair but the "deep state" the way conspiracy theorist portray it is simply not real.

We have two corporate parties, the status quo and the controlled opposition. They occasionally switch labels but until we get the corporate out, we will never have a real choice.

Yes, the Dems are fatally infected by AIPAC and are best put out of their misery. That said, given the people voted for Trump, they're unlikely to vote for AOC. She doesn't appeal to knuckle-draggers.

Really, how do we get viable third parties? How do we change the voting system to not have " spoiler candidates "? The binary is rotting us.

"They will put up x candidates I dislike"

Vote in the fucking primaries then, holy shit. Make a progressive win the primaries for the love of God please

I highly recommend reading Ezra Klein's latest book "Abundance" for a look at why the DNC has been losing the working class. It also offers some optimistic ideas for moving forward.

You mean Hilary. This is clearly the chance to beat that dead horse again!

It'll be Shapiro or Blinken. Its still all about the $$ at the DNC. Nothing else matters.

I have no intention of voting for anyone less than a progressive. The moderates will only slow America's falling off a cliff, they have no intention on stopping or reversing course.

This debate is so silly because the real cause has to do with economic conditions and not the small policy differences between Kamala and Bernie or whoever the left wanted.

The reason Bernie never won the dem primary is that less people voted for him

For the whole history of democratic primaries, the nominee was always the one that received the most votes. It probably of doesn't have to be, but it always is. "they" in question are people of America who know more than nothing about how democracy in their country works.
Progressives are going to bitch and moan about how nobody does what they want, but will refuse to participate in the very process designed to ask them what they want.
It's almost like some idiots on the internet don't want change, they want to be oppressed.

They already could have had a progressive candidate in 2016. They chose otherwise.

Personally, I would be ok with J.B. Pritzker. Don't love that he's a billionaire. On the other hand, he's the best governor Illinois has had in ages and seems to be trying to do right by his constituents.

AOC might not want to be POTUS though? It’s odd how many people have decided this for her.

Silly to think our votes will ever count again

Can we get Andrew Yang as an option?

Yes AOC #2, but Kamala...

Writing was on the wall here. Need to get rid of the dinosaurs to have any chance at all.

This is orchestrated. The DNC knows that these Republicans dressed as democrats can't win, because even democratic voters hate them.

Of course they will. Either pick them or they'll send it all to hell. Even now they probably think this Trump stint will make voters desperate for their next candidate.

There's always working for a campaign to help them win.

So who's the progressive darling?

. . .

Anyone?

They will.

They're stupid people.

No offense, but AOC is an awful choice as well. She has no chance to win, and I really hope she is not pushed to try.

Get ready for the next DNC nominee no longer being the "lesser evil"!

Aoc said she would stay in the HOUSE, felt like she could do more there than the presidency, or governership.

Okay this was true until the DNC leadership election, but the current leadership leans just left enough that they could go either way.

Be LOUD. Get in touch. Make it unambiguously clear that we need to pivot radically left.

We can't put up another woman for a decade or two at least. This country is too misogynistic to elect a woman.

If the last election with a female prosecutor and VP on one side and a male felon rapist traitor on the other didn't convince you that women cannot win the presidency in America, I'm not sure what will.

Cold. Hard. Truth. We just aren't there as a society yet.

If we want to win, probably gonna need to go with a person who has a dick between their legs.