Dude, what's wrong with Reddit?
Dude, what's wrong with Reddit?
I posted the following: "I am trying to make a shower gel that has a scent but is not toxic to either humans or aquatic life. And I have a hard time finding anything for the latter. Essential oils and derivatives? Nope. Synthetic ones? Nothing. I could go the unscented route, but it’s going to be hard to sell. So, considering that most of you are better informed about this topic, is there a specific ingredient that I can use for a rose fragrance that’s truly non toxic? Thanks "
On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability. The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes. What the hell is going on there? I am going to stay here for much longer since that place is turning very weird. Also, can anyone here actually help me find a fragrance ingredient that won't kill aquatic life when poured down the drain? Thank you in advance
Sadly any substances related to showering are percieved as dangerous by the stereotypical reddit mod. :D
This is the best comment I read all year. Thank you for the laughs.
Hi-ooooo!
Oof even all the way on Reddit they had to have felt that burn lmao
Watch out. They might send an bitcoin assassin after you. One who could run you over with a mobility scooter or stab you with an insulin pen.
Lmao
It's all just bots masturbating other bots over there.
30 years ago I expected this, but thought it was going to be sexier.
The future fucking blows.
Loving the reddit hate train here but to answer your question, there doesn't appear to be any non aqua toxic rose fragrances. Even rose water can be aqua toxic. This is due to the fact that geraniol (the compound primarily responsible for a roses' scent) is acutely toxic to aquatic life. Have you considered other light, floral scents OP?
Given the trend of recent posts in here. I'm going to guess that the word "toxic" triggered the automod.
I actually think you may be onto something.
Based on that logic, maybe reworking it to use 'toxin' instead would get it boosted...
If it is any consolation -- It was most likely a robot.
Like 99% of large reddits are almost entirely moderated by a modbot, and the modbot is stupider than your average LLM assistant (and LLM assistants aren't very smart), while also being extremely strict.
Let us rejoice, for that error rate creates new fediverse members.
I can't argue with that.
On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability.
/r/soapmaking might have some advice. There is a lemmy equivalent !soapmaking@sh.itjust.works but it doesn't look very active.
The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes.
I've always struggled with Reddit's arcane rules. I rarely know why my stuff is deleted. shrugs I don't really post there anymore, just lurk.
Probably worth sharing it on !communitypromo@lemmy.ca
Who knows? This is Lemmy
Just fyi, most people came here to get rid of reddit. There are a few communities that revolve around reddit for those with nostalgia. Might be the best plae to ask as much as this community is about asking questions.
could you use embedded flower petals?
I could, but I need to check whether this is a perfectly safe option since the aim is fragrance and zero toxicity to water life. I didn’t consider this option before, so thank you.
Organisms have incredibly complex biochemical makeup. Flowers will contain minute levels of formaldehyde and other toxic compounds. If there is no floor on what it takes to be "toxic," then only 100% purified chemical compounds could be included.
It would be better to determine what "safe" levels are based on regulatory body recommendations and then try to stay under those.
When it comes to toxicity to water life you have to think of the dose. If a rose bush sheds a few petals and it falls to a lake will anything bad happen to the life in the lake? No absolutely not. That happens naturally. The petals will quickly decompose and become nutrients that will feed the ecosystem in the lake. However if someone would drop a dozen truckloads of petals in the lake then that would be way too much organic matter for the ecosystem in the lake to handle. But some shower gel is never gonna come close to that. It's more gonna be on the magnitude of the bush shedding some petals naturally in the lake. Same with the essential oil. Concentrated essential oil can be quite toxic to both human and other life. But in dilution it's something else completely. A natural rose bush will evaporate tonnes of essential oil straight into the air during its whole life time and nothing takes damage from it. That's why you can smell a rose plant when standing next to it. Dilution is sometimes actually the solution. A single drop of essential oil into the sewer drain once a day would not cause any negative effect at all when it's diluted with tonnes of shower, toilet, sink and even industrial waste water. Diluted it won't damage any life, especially since essential oils are biodegradable.
Also think what else gets down into the sewer. In most places your toilet and your shower are connected to the same system. The poop you put in your toilet is multiple magnitudes worse than anything you could use while showering. If your waste water treatment plant can't even treat the poo then you have bigger problems then anything you could put into your shower gel. If it's good enough to treat poo however then it's good enough to treat whatever's in your shower gel.
I second this—you can distill your own rose water from flowers. I’m sure you can find flowers to ethically source that would be quality for this purpose.
Edit: oh I see you said rose water is toxic to marine life? That’s unfortunate
Yup, just get the hell off Reddit. And Twitter. Both of those cess pools.
I deleted my Reddit account of, was it 11 years? More? Anyway, sometimes I miss being able to comment there whenever I come across someone kind, or some idiot. But then I think, boy, morally, I feel better not partaking. Lemmy is the future for now. I'll abstain from the cancer.
X is where people I want to follow post unfortunately. If they posted on mastodon, I would use that more. As it stands, a lot of people and creators I want to keep up with are only on a few select platforms at the moment. Maybe that'll change in time but I doubt anytime soon. Same situation with YouTube, I'd like to stop using that too but it's the only place to find certain things (small example: individual magicians who sometimes perform on Penn & Teller also post their own videos on YT only.)
Reddit Mod:
Uh oh... You showed empathy to animal life.
Deleted for being Woke!
I was making the most innocuous comments in Reddit and getting banned. I finally gave up and here I am. #RedditRefugee
I think some mods are overly jumpy with chemistry type questions because uninformed morons will confidently answer the wrong thing and the mods are afraid it will get someone hurt. That or the subs in question just aren't geared for this kind of Q&A. You'd probably get better responses from a chemistry subreddit.
Scent compounds being potentially hazardous to some minor degree in their super concentrated form isn't a huge issue, because that's not how they're going to be experienced and it's hard to find anything that isn't harmful in some quantity. The alchemist Paracelsus, who pioneered evidence backed approaches to pharmaceutical medicine wrote the old adage "The dose makes the poison." Even water can kill you if you drink too much of it all at once, and pure oxygen is an extremely dangerous substance even though we need it to breathe.
That said, I happen to know a bit about chemistry and just did a bit of reading. It looks like rose oil comes in two forms - one produced by steam distillation, and one produced by solvent extraction. The one produced via solvent extraction is more common, more concentrated, and according to Safety Data Sheets (SDS) I was able to find, has more potential health hazards associated with it. The other form, known as Rose Otto, is produced via steam distillation and is less concentrated. This means you will need more and will need to adjust your formulation, but according to the SDS this is a pretty safe substance. If your concern is potential hazards of making your soap during manufacturing, then that may be a better option I guess. I still think that it's fine to use substances that are toxic in quantities that will never make it into the final product.
Just look at the subscriber count of those subreddits. Try to moderate that.
The fact that the larger the subreddits get more picky they are about posts isn't a new problem, but it has apparently gotten a lot worse in last few years. Apparently a lot of subreddits now have automoderator rules that just nuke posts based on karma or "contributor quality", whatever the hell that means.
But at the same time, some of the default subs' most prolific posts are bot reposts ad infinitum. Those never seem to get nuked even though it's crystal clear they're bot accounts...
Subs be deleting shit left and right lately, it's becoming unusable
Lot of it is bots, but lot of it is also shit mods. And lazy mods letting the bot do shit without any review.
I am pretty sure your best bet to get something that is roses scented but is non-toxic would be creating a tincture vegetable glycerin with roses. Take dried rose pedals and let them sit in the sun for 4-6 weeks immersed in vegetable glycerin which should impart roses smells and other rose components into the vegetable glycerin. I haven't done it myself but it is suppose to do some extractions of the compounds.
You will be extracting the essential oils and all other compounds from the rose pedals into the glycerin but in lower concentrations than a pure essential oil. (Also depending on the essential oil will have a broader range of compounds depending on how they made it)
Make sure to use roses that are not treated with pesticides and fertilizers.
Exactly. Don't use any roses that are treated. I like Mountain Rose Herbs
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I had a post deleted the other day with no mod messages or anything just for saying China should put an export tax on phones to the US.
Reddits pretty ridiculous for discussing any serious topics really.
They may have a rule to delete any mention of essential oils automatically. Or they deleted due to the criticism of it. Hard to know which way any sub might swing.
I have no idea about the gel part, but you can make liquid soap with just vegetable oils and potassium hydroxide lye. There's lots of recipes online.
Aleppo soap? It's made of olive oil and lye. As simple as it gets. Probably not good for aquatic life but better than most I would belive. It's got a distinctive scent, at first I didn't like it but it grows in you. Done wonders for my hair and skin.
i got shadowbanned recently, just from a simple comment removal from a mod. but the reddit-wide filters immediately banned people, if thier posts gets removed.
More commonplace than you think.
Just use some slightly dirty sea water. It will smell like you were just at the beach. You can call it "the beach".
Would a drop of Bulgarian rose oil not work?
EDIT: By this I mean the legitimate stuff made by hand in the countryside, not the chemically extracted stuff. It is extremely strong.
I am very fond of the Bulgarian oil. I actually have a rose garden filled with damask roses myself. But it seems that if poured in water it can damage the plants and fishes.. I wasn’t even aware of it until very recently.
I feel like it's always been like that. Did the mods give you a reason for removing your post?
No. I just got the removed by mods message.
If have I had to guess... a combination of well meaning rules built up over time that no one actually thought out, chronically online weirdos corrupted by the little bit of power afforded by moderating (which seems common in online communities) and cabals of state actors who moderate multiple subreddits in order to control and direct the narrative.
On the other hand, with how popular reddit has become and with how many bots are out there, it might be worse without the rules.