Britain backs Nuremberg-style trials of Russia despite Trump opposition
Britain backs Nuremberg-style trials of Russia despite Trump opposition
UK supports plan for military tribunal to prosecute Putin for war crimes against Ukraine after US president withdrew all involvement
Do Israel, USA & Germany next
shipping people to a concentration camp in el salvador without any due process sounds like a violation of many laws to me.
You know what's freaking terrifying?
I use Nextdoor on occasion (a social media app specifically for localized neighborhoods), because it helps with safety or lost pets or something occasionally...
...but lately there's been some tesla vandalism going on, and there's SO MANY comments like "Give them 20 years" and "Send them straight to El Salvador." and "Domestic terrorism!"
I used to resent isolation and lack of community...but now I really don't wanna meet my neighbors anymore...
I want to believe a quieter majority of us aren't cool with shirking due process and shipping U.S citizens to foreign prison camps, if that wasn't bad enough, for property damage of all justifications...but geeze.
I am all for this but you need to beat Ruzzia first. You need to roll in and whip their asses and arrest every criminal left alive. Then and only then have a worldwide televised trial as a warning to all other fascists. Then you turn and look at Trump and Israel and tell them you are next if you don't get your shit together.
Lol you have to win first. Holding trials in absentia of a sovereign nation with no teeth is meaningless lip service. Fight back and win first, then you can pat yourselves on the back bringing justice.
The fastest way to tell if something is the right thing to do is to ask whether or not Orange Julius Caesar opposes it.
How about Nuremberg style trials for the Trump administration?
As an American, I support both.
as Russian assets, they would qualify
Ya know....
When it's comes out in the wash and these fuckers have cuffs on in the mean time, their Russian ties will put them in prison alone. Wild thought, hope it happens.
Agreed, do Trump next! Although, we should do Russia first, as I think what will turn up during that investigation is going to be... very relevant.
YES!
Now this is the galaxy brain response right here 😉
Entire gov top to bottom. We've needed to clean house and obviously we the people's voice isn't being heard. I'm all for a 3rd part to intervene.
Yep, we clearly can't get the job done ourselves. It's time for the grown-ups to intervene.
How about for the American government in general?
I’m guessing Trump would be against that as well.
100%!!!
You need one of those even more for Israel, but the British political elites are active and willing accomplices in that specific Genocide.
One rule for some, another for others...
Hypocrisy is very much the core trait of the British upper classes.
Why not just throw Britain in your imaginary tribunal as well. Didn’t they place Israel in their territory and start the war 80 fucking years ago. Are you going to try Hamas and Iran for the crimes against humanity too or is that just fine in imagination land?
Lol at Trump thinking he can treat the world however the fuck he wants all while keeping the good will and soft power we have spent the decades since WWII building. What a damn tool, we are not getting that soft power back for years now after his escapades, if EVER
Wonder why they are holding trials for the war crimes which their own politicians are not involved in, and not for the genocide which their own politicians are involved in.
This is just propaganda - how objective will this tribunal be when you know what kind of "wars of aggression" the UK, Israel or the US have done and are still doing?
And no this is not whataboutism - it's about truthfulness and moral standing. Invasion if Iraq and Afghanistan, decades of foreign policies, occupation and oppression of Palestinians, meddling and regime change of countries. If it's only a crime of aggression if the other side does it, then it's simply a farce or a show trial that will not prevent future crimes of aggression.
You are first and foremost responsible for your own actions. And only then responsible for holding others responsible.
Just to avoid catching ire for adding nuance, I want to preface everything by stating that the nazi regime was obviously a criminal scourge upon humanity, and it's perpetrators entirely irredeemable. If the nazi regime was ever falsely accused of anything, it will always just be irrelevant little details, in the face of the sheer bulk of provable horrors committed by them, their collaborators, and the weight is on the shoulders of everyone within their borders, who was of legal age and sound mind, and who didn't do anything to resist.
With that out of the way, the descendants of the Allies should stop swallowing the propaganda of their forefathers raw, and instead try to take an honest, critical look on this part of their past.
The fact of the matter is, the Nürnberg trials were a farce, more a show trial and a kangaroo court, of Victor's parading around the defeated, conducted on a legal basis that didn't exist, with many punishments (executions) being violations of the inalienable human rights that were soon after proclaimed by the victors, as an encodification of the core values that they claimed to espouse.
The trials were a mockery. Surely, it would have been possible to prosecute and punish anyone deserving of it, by the laws of the pre-1933 Weimar Republic, which, contrary to popular belief today, was not abolished in a legal manner in the first place, and so would still have jurisdiction.
Anyway, the Nürnberg trials are an awful ideal to shoot for - especially when we today finally (and fairly recently) have managed to establish a proper International Criminal Court, with authority and legal basis to dispense real justice against the perpetrators of crimes against humanity. Recognise that court, and insist on it carrying out justice. When you ignore thst court in discourse, and choose to hold up an 80 year old mock trail as the standard of justice, that just makes it all the easier for any future victor to quickly carry out their own kangaroo courts, executing based on what's politically convenient, while slowing the path towards a legal world order.
That's a very good take too. I just saw this video Why Justice for Ukraine AND Russia Goes Through South Africa which has another interesting take - that admission of guilt and confessing the truth towards the victim is sometimes better for reconciliation than a trial that is about the court prosecuting and the accused defending, denying and finding excuses. But I doubt that either is realistic in the near future.
I'm not sure what your point is frankly.
You are first and foremost responsible for your own actions.
So you think countries should recognize and punish themselves for "being the bad guys"?
Do you see any country as having the "required moral standing" to judge others?
So you think countries should recognize and punish themselves for “being the bad guys”?
I think people and journalists should be educated and informed so they can see it for the theater it is. If the people of a democracy can't see the evil their own countries have been doing or do not have the means to change anything, then those leaders pointing the fingers at others for the same shit becomes nothing but a distraction.
The tin-foil hat person inside me is screaming that Putin directed Trump to destroy the economy and all our alliances. If he manages to fire Powell, I think he's accomplished his goals in less than 100 days.
"It's not paranoia, if they really are out to get you."
Why, what have you heard?
Occam's Razor says the same thing.
This is far, far past incompetence.
Its not tin-foil hat, it's Putin. Its always Putin, using Skum and HitlerPig as his muscle.
When will people truly internalize that the two biggest foreign Sociopathic Oligarchs, have partnered up with the most prolific traitor in American history? None of them have any loyalty or patriotism toward America, and only see us as a big, rich, fat, lazy target to be ruthlessly exploited and looted, and it's happening in real time before our eyes.
All they care about is money, and either Putin is paying them directly out of the Russian Treasury (HitlerPig would rape and murder his own mother for far less than a billion bucks, and Putin could order a lot more than that), or they've cut a deal to split the booty like the pirates they are.
Let’s go UK.
Britain is a fucking joke.
How about israel?
The amount if killing and bomb dropped on gaza is more than those of russia ukraine like three of four time or something like that. But they cant say a single word of condemnation !
Israel kills more civilians in Gaza in two
adays than Russia kills in Ukraine in a month.(Edit: checked the numbers and in 3 years Russia had killed 12,605 civilians whilst the last reliable numbers we had in Gaza - before the hospitals were destroyed - for the first 6 months in Gaza were 42,000, so the rate of civilians murdered per day by Israel is about 20x higher, so not quite "more in a day than in a month", hence my edit)
Perhaps Britain should look in the mirror.
FUCK 47, HE BELONGS AT THOSE TRIALS TOO, IN SHACKLES, AND WITH A GUY WITH A NOOSE MEAN MUGGING HIM
Who gives a shit if Trump is in opposition when they (we, I’m American) are purposely fucking up global trade?
Two countries didn't sign that agreement. Who cares what the US and israel think about it. However just like a low functioning sovereign citizen I hope both current leaders are subject to that court despite their disbelief in it validity.
"Despite?" Should be "in light of"