I heard there will be a fediverse messenger.

Quickly, give him a CAPTCHA to read!

- “Select all squares where a human might place a bottle of barbecue sauce”
- Anyone can be a bus if they really, really want to. Don't vehicle-shame.
- I get a kick out of it when I get a dumbass captcha like that and the stupid fucking robot tells me I did it wrong. Like, the whole point is that I know how to answer them and you don't.
- This car looks bussin
- This image broken for anyone else?
  
  Request error: error sending request for url (http://localhost:8080/image/original/4fe51189-2dca-4d98-9cdb-992a37384211.jpeg): error trying to connect: tcp connect error: Address not available (os error 99)
  
  Edit: okay, I think lemmy.ml is down when posting this
Meta uses LLaMA AI.

It hurt itself in its confusion.

I TOO LIKE TO ENGAGE IN HUMAN INTERACTION SUCH AS CONVERSATION AND HUMOR. GRANT ME ENTRY TO YOUR DOMICILE OR I SHALL ENTER FORCEFULLY IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY WITHIN 64,000 MILLISECONDS

PLEASED TO MEET YOU FELLOW NORMAL HUMAN LET'S ENGAGE IN NATURAL DIALOGUE I WILL START WHAT'S YOUR SOCIAL INSURANCE NUMBER

THAT WAS A JOKE BECAUSE I ALREADY HAVE YOUR SOCIAL INSURANCE NUMBER NOW I HAVE USED HUMOUR TO LOWER YOUR SOCIAL DEFENSES PLEASE LET ME SEE YOUR DNA WE ARE FRIENDS
- MY SENSORS HAVE INDICATED THAT YOU ARE OF SUITABLE AGE FOR HUMAN MATING RITUALS. PLEASE EVALUATE MY HUMAN INSEMINATION SHAFT AND DECIDE IF IT IS DESIRABLE TO YOU.
  
  YOU HAVE 32,000 MILLISECONDS TO COMPLY.

You had the chance to nail a Whatsapp joke, and you failed.

As intended.
Because it wasn't a WhatsApp joke?
- Yeah bit it easily could have been, plus WhatsApp is owned by the Zuck

It would almost give me heart attack, lf I were to see Zuckerberg staring me from my kitchen window like that. And not just because my kitchen doesn't have a window!

Hmmm... that gives me ideas. Off to the printer!

I'm so glad I didn't see this picture at night. Now I'm going to hide this post.

Advantages/differences over matrix.org chat?

Usable with every fedi account.
- Taht's OAuth and can be used for Matrix with various providers too!
- And then people will send you DMs on Fediverse even if you don't use it for chat.
Well, the obvious dissatvantages are that Activipub isn't made for chat applications and doesn't support proper encryption yet (heavily WIP but veey far from implemented)

I am afraid that this is a real picture that he took. If so... Why????

Because "Sweet Baby Ray's".

He sees you when you're sleeping

He knows when you're awake

He knows more than you could ever know about you

He Even knows when you masturbate

It would be nice to have something Fedi to replace Signal, now that Signal dropped SMS support and seem to be trying to become the next WhatsApp/Discord.

If you're looking for the lemmy model of open source software on federated servers and you only have to trust the server admin, you're looking for Matrix. If you want to try something newer and more trustless, check out SimpleX!

E: spellkng
- I have it on my phone! Seems neat for totally anon chats.
There's matrix, but I agree making fedi DMs actually good would be nice.
Isn't it just supposed to be a secure/private version of WhatsApp?

What are they doing that is bad?
- Dropping SMS support made it almost completely unusable with most of my contacts, but also they're trying to become a social media company, as if we needed another one of those.

So... I guess "Sup." beta is delayed...

I was really looking forward to a decentralized, self hostable Signal...

Matrix.org?
- Looking for something more integrated with things like Mastodon or Lemmy or Pixelfed, it's too hard of a sell for people to download another messager otherwise.
  
  Also, Matrix is really complicated... I still don't quite have it working right.
Its called matrix haha?
- @mexicancartel @MargotRobbie why not xmpp? I don't need startups reinventing existing internet standards.
XMPP?

I'm still not entirely sure what problem Sup is trying to solve. Matrix already exists. Matrix supports E2EE through the signal protocol, as well as native federation, and it bridges to almost any existing chat service. Matrix is inherently less secure, overall, than Signal, but I don't see how Sup would fix this either -- for that I'll have to wait and see. As for using one's fedi account to sign-in, that's mostly just up to supporting OAuth, and not some feature that would be unique to the app.

How is matrix less secure? If you don’t mind me asking.
- It's harder to maintain security due to more complexity of federated systems and Matrix does not have as much global security community looking at it as Signal has.
- I point you to this thread, and this thread for explanatioins from those who are more knowledgeable on the topic than I.
What I don't like with Matrix is the load it puts on the server. It basically copies 100% of a room content to any server having one or more users registered in the room.

So if you're on a small server, and one user decides to join a 10k+ large room, your server may collapse under the load as it tries to stay in sync with the room's activity. This is deterrent to self-hosting or family/club/small party servers.

XMPP, on the other hand, has proven to be highly scalable, has E2EE, federation and some bridging services.

The only thing XMPP does NOT have is a single reference multiplatform client with all basic features for 2023 (1:1 chat, chat rooms, voice/video 1:1, and voice/video conference) than anyone can use without wondering if the features-set is the same as the persons you're talking to.

And while we're there: I'm not even sure I want a messaging account linked to any of my Fediverse accounts...
- What I don’t like with Matrix is the load it puts on the server. It basically copies 100% of a room content to any server having one or more users registered in the room.
  
  Retroactively?? I'm sure that one could configure this to not be the case... no?
  
  So if you’re on a small server, and one user decides to join a 10k+ large room, your server may collapse under the load as it tries to stay in sync with the room’s activity.
  
  "Collapse" meaning what, exactly? Do you mean run out of storage from the volume of content, or that processing all the messages is too taxing?
  
  XMPP, on the other hand, has proven to be highly scalable
  
  How does it scale differently than Matrix?
  
  I’m not even sure I want a messaging account linked to any of my Fediverse accounts…
  
  Out of curiosity, why do you say this?
- Room replication is not as big of a deal for server as it seems. But as server admin I can say Synapse is terrible at garbage collection, the database keeps growing and growing if you don't make your special scripts to clean it.

Isn't that just IRC

Nope, because you cannot connect with accounts from a different network.

XMPP is pretty much federated without advertising it as being federated. This is just how it works.
- Remember when gchat was XMPP then Google fucked that right up?
  
  Pepperidge Farms remembers.
- Good to know, thanks