As an American, I'm fine with the US no longer being the most influential anymore, as long as the most influential country that replaces us is a democracy. Preferably much more democratic than we are.
Like 95% of democratic countries are much more democratic than the US...
It's certainly time for the US NOT to be the most influential. There should be term limits on stuff like that.
Not for much longer if Trump stays in the White House.
I'm quite happy to see this shithole disassembling itself. Was about fucking time.
Americans have been fucked from the start, Hitler talked a lot about how he was inspired by Americans way of treating colored people.
Then they beat Hitler, but took all his scientists. They included rocket builders, but they also included political science and propagandistists.
The Nazis literally rebuilt in America, and took 71 years to show the people they were there, and 85 years to gain control of the largest military in the world.
Then they had an interesting civil liberties fight for less than a decade, before the Nazi republicans just started the war on drugs as a way of shutting them down and arrested / killed everyone involved.
I simply don't trust Americans to fix this problem themselves. It is my dire belief that the entire world will have to invade America, like we did with Germany.
It is my dire belief that the entire world will have to invade America, like we did with Germany.
More likely, the rest of the world will look the other way while America cannibalizes itself.
I am hoping America splits into pieces, with Europe supporting the democratic bits. In the long run, that might allow Free America to rid itself of conservative baggage and become a genuinely shining city. Here's hoping that we get a decent ending to this sordid tale.
Americans were quite sympathetic towards the Nazis before the war. A lot of the pseudo-science race teachings and call for eugenics, which is genocide, were supported in the US. The Nazis got inspired by the flag saluting fascist ritual "pledge of allegiance" that still exists today, but long before. Henry Ford and other "models of the American Dream" could spread their Antisemitic hatred globally, while being recognized, revered or at least tolerated by their US American co-citizens.
The US was on its best way to become a fascist empire in the 20th century already, without any influence from the German Nazis. The German Nazis may have helped slightly, but the responsibility lies with the US Americans. After all the US was founded on a settler colonial white supremacist ethnic cleansing and genocide itself.
I agree with your conclusion. The US will not stop until it is stopped, like any other fascist country will not stop until it is stopped.
Er... not to douse the flames of my own deliverance or anything but you do remember about the nukes, right?
The south.
The Nuremberg Laws were Jim crow but with the one drop rule crossed out and Hitlers name written at the top.
Black GIs came back from liberating Europe, to be lynched for being 'too uppity'.
If it wasn't for the south desperately trying to drag us into their filth we wouldn't have had W, we wouldn't have Trump, we could have had universal Healthcare and just generally not sold everything out to the oligarchs.
The rise of the United States was due to the destruction of the south as a political power, allowing the rest of the country to grow, for instance the transcontinental railroad.
Cancer can go into remission, but it doesn't always stay there.
And this time, don't take the scientists.
So basically the hydra uprising in shield but with the american government
I know America deserves all the shit we're getting right now.
But I feel like like people in other countries are being a bit cavalier about the fact that they're locked in a room with America and it's got a loaded gun.
Trump may be an idiot, but he has the world's largest army and a nuclear arsenal at his fingertips.I used to think he was a big dumb dumb. Then January 6th happened and I quickly realized he was a dangerous idiot and I haven't been the same ever since.
I've been watching history repeat itself while I've been surrounded people who still act like Trump and his cult-like followers are still a bunch of silly dumb dumbs.
I'm too exhausted to have any words to say anymore.
Republican America is not a loaded gun. It's a deranged rabid coyote. It seems so obvious: don't fight the rabid coyote. No one will win. But we're trapped here with it. Its taking its bites out of everyone close to it, and everyone else. What the fuck else are we supposed to do? Lie down and take it? Stand on the table and try to keep away? No one is coming to save us. This will not go away. They will not surrender.
The only way out is through; for Americans to start their civil war to disrupt their regime or, if they can manage it, figure some other way to oust their fascist government and their cult. To all the Americans fighting the good fight, keep it up, the world literally needs you.
The Republicans have already proven the laws mean nothing. They're already boasting plans to stay for a 3rd term. There's no waiting this out.
So, bring it on, you fascist fucks, let's fucking go.
It's very much the "you're locked in here with me" moment.
It's been a bit concerning seeing all the people just giddy with the prospect of millions of people dying from internal issues, either idiotically not understanding or simply being too naive, that when an animal dies, it doesn't go quietly. Especially not when it senses the cause of its death is near.
And I believe enough people will view the rest of the world as the cause, I genuinely think if it came down to losing control permanently or causing the literal end of the world by launching as many nuclear and conventional strikes as possible before death takes them.
Personally, I don't relish the downfall of any major country, and despite other countries issues I'd rather see them overthrow their tyrannical governments than grab popcorn and cheer as they crumble to civil wars and starvation. That just seems a bit too close to being "arch villain from a cartoon" for my taste.
I'd really like to see the Cure For Fascism being used here in my own country, but unfortunately "be the change you want to see in the world" just leaves a dead crazed lone gunman in the street. Organization will be needed.
I'm rooting for the Yellowstone supervolcano at this point.
It's not a thing, sorry. You've been misled. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/yellowstone-volcano-erupt-more-magma-found
Here's a video with a really cool dive into the science behind it. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=ypn3Fe_PLts
I was expecting America to decline during my life. What surprised me is how fast and stupid it was.
This.
"COME ON DOWN TO CRAZY DOLAN'S WHERE WE'RE PRACTICALLY GIVING AWAY INFLUENCE! WANNA TAKE OVER EUROPE LMAO HERE'S MY VENMO! WANT US TO GO FROM G'DAY TO G'DLUCK WITH AUSTRALIA? THAT'LL BE ONE TRUMP HOTEL AND A DANCE WITH A GLOWING ORBwow!!!. ACT NOW, THESE DEALS WON'T LAST, BECAUSE PETER THIEL JUST CASH APP'D ME TO DRONE STRIKE THE FCC AND WHO FUCKING KNOWS WHAT'LL HAPPEN AFTER THAT"
This meme is literally me except I realize that I live in it
Dude. I fucking live here. I wanted to watch the hegemony decay, we've been responsible for some absolute nightmares. I did not want to life through shitting ourselves like a sun-setting dementia patient.
Yet here we are.
Shower thought:
I wonder if Rome had stand-up comedians, and if they had the best humor before the fall.
Yeah, those nuclear weapons aren't just going to walk away...
Not anymore.
More concerned about the nukes, personally.
The only thing worse than the US on its deathbed is the US operating normally.
This isn’t the deathbed though. We still have by far the most powerful military in the world, a huge foreign policy apparatus, and a large integrated economy. This is like if your asshole boss comes down with a mental illness and just starts going nuts. Sure, it’s bad for him and could be kind of good… but there’s a high chance you’re going down with him.
Most powerful military in the world and keep losing every war they started.
Was.
American empire has barely started toppling, this is gonna get a whole lot more fucky before "was" is an accurate label :(
This shit hasn't been funny for at least a decade.
Depending on whether it is a slow self dismantling or a rapid explosion the US will either be a lot less, or a lot more influential.
The most influential for now…
me but it's the haha sickos meme where i'm looking through a window from another room in the same house
Yeah, I’m sure it’s funny to anyone who has disliked U.S. policies and I don’t take issue with that, but I really wonder if you’re going to be laughing when Russia and China fill the power vacuum left with America’s collapse and suddenly those countries are in control of the world’s shipping lanes.
Fucking morons. America has made shit moves, to be sure, but they supported the majority of the world’s population against far more authoritarian regimes. Revel in your cheers, you fucking idiots.
We'll see, won't we? It's not like USA are the the first empire to fall. The next empire will act in their own interests just as the USA has done.
America has made shit moves, to be sure
I think that's an understatement. It's got some things right. Due process (at least for US citizens until the war on terror) was a good idea, but that seems to be a thing of the past now aswell. It never really thought the international rules they instated applied to themselved though.
but they supported the majority of the world’s population against far more authoritarian regimes
Like in Iran, where they orchestrated a coup de'tat against Mosaddegh? I wonder who reigns in Iran now... Surely after the helpfull intervention of the USA and UK their leadership is even more democratic and liberal now.
And I am sure their intervention in Irak had nothing to do with oil and was all about the chemical weapons we've all seen by now. I meand, yes, they were pretty secular back then and had a similar standart of living to us. So what, if the islamic state today is a direct consequence of US intervention and the power vacuum they left behind?
And the indescriminate poisoning of millions of Vietnamese had nothing to do with deformed children beeing born. They had to be protected from their own authoritarian goverments, you see? What are a few handicapped children in comparisson to that?
I could go on forever, but you get the idea. In my eyes the USA never was a force for democracy or freedom, but their own (and as an European my own) benefit.
I doubt China will be any better, but at least from what I've seen so far their imperialism seems to be mostly economic (though they might simply be biding their time).
I'm sure they'd exploit any weakness they find in us, just as we'd do to them. So basically same old story... And who's cheering this exactly?
Say what you want, that’s my point. If you think the world will be better after America’s fallen, just wait and see. You’re a bunch of fuckin’ morons. As much as America had its sins, it was a stabilizing force in the world. Don’t fucking complain when you see the aftermath. Just don’t. Whine as much as you want, that’s all you ever do. Wah, wah, wah, no National creates my utopia, and it’s all because they don’t do what I think should be done! You’ve got tons of criticism but you can’t actually identify a solution. Grow the fuck up and acknowledge you don’t have the answers you think the world needs.
Another MAGA fucknut. The EU will fill the void left by the USA and become the beacon for free world.
Uh, No. the PRC is far more poised to take over the role of international leader than the EU are. Not necessarily a bad thing, I would argue, but I really don't think the EU could get itself in line to be world police/masters quicker than the PRC
...ye gads, man, i hope so but the EU lacks solidarity to keep pace with china's action...
That’s the problem with Lemmy: anyone who disagrees with your anti-American sentiment is labeled far-right. No chance an American liberal could possibly disagree with you, right?
Fucking bigoted pieces of shit.
and suddenly those countries are in control of the world’s shipping lanes.
Is fascist, xenophobic America supposed to be better?
I personally feel that Trump's first term is pretty less consequential in the world stage than the second term. But then this second term of his is only three months in, and it is already causing havoc that even the oligarchs are inconvenienced and thinking twice now about supporting him!
