How do I use HTTPS on a private LAN without self-signed certs?
Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.
Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.
UPDATE:
Here's what I ended up doing:
set up cloudflare as the DNS provider for my domain
use certbot plus the cloudflare DNS plugin to create a wildcard cert. Because I want to use wildcard certs and because the web servers are on a NATed private LAN, HTTP-01 challenge cannot be used. Wildcard certs use a DNS challenge. From what I understand of the certbot docs, the HTTP challenge makes a certain HTTP resource available on the web server, then requests that resource, presumably via an external client, to verify that you own the domain. the DNS challenge works by temporarily placing a TXT record in your DNS server. This method requires your DNS provider to have an accessible API that allows the modification of resource records.
Once the cert and key are generated, I place them on the servers I want to to make use of them and set up the web server accordingly.
Visit the websites and confirm that HTTPS works.
There are some other hiccups that I'm guessing aren't related to HTTPS. Per My earlier question about self hosting, I'm experimenting with NodeBB. I cannot get the two test instances to federate, which I initially assumed was an issue with HTTPS. That's a question best asked elsewhere, though I thought it relevant to note because it was my initial purpose for setting up HTTPS.
A few examples of Dockerfiles. These will build Caddy with DNS support.
DuckDNS
FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/duckdns
FROM caddy:2
COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
Cloudflare
FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare
FROM caddy:2
COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
Porkbun
FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/porkbun
FROM caddy:2
COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
Configure DNS provider
This is what to add the the Caddyfile, I've used these in the examples that follow this section.
You can look at the repository for the DNS provider to see how to configure it for example.
I use caddy for straightforward https, but every time I try to use it for a service that isn't just a reverse_proxy entry, I really struggle to find resources I understand... and most of the time the "solutions" I find are outdated and don't seem to work. The most recent example of this for me would be Baikal.
Do you have any recommendations for where I might get good examples and learn more about how do troubleshoot and improve my Caddyfile entries?
Unfortunately that's one area I am bad with, I tend to use reverse_proxy for most such as Baikal running with the ckulka/baikal Docker image (which runs Nginx or Apache), otherwise I only static sites.
To obtain a certificate using ACME DNS challenges, you'd use this module as described above. But, if you have a different domain (say, my.example.com) CNAME'd to your Duck DNS domain, you have two options:
Not use this module: Use a module matching the DNS provider for my.example.com.
I did basically this w/ Cloudflare, and it worked perfectly. I used to do ACME requests, but this is simpler and doesn't require me to route traffic into my LAN. I now expose a handful of services, but I used to have to expose all services for TLS cert renewal to work.
+1 for the letsencrypt wildcard with DNS verification, been using this for years. with dehydrated (https://github.com/dehydrated-io/dehydrated) you can automate renewing the certs, pretty convenient.
One thing i didn't see mentioned yet - you can also easily create a wildcard for a subdomain of your domain, e.g. *.local.example.com.
Most DNS providers let you define something like _acme-challenge.local IN TXT ... so you don't even need to define an extra zone for local.example.com.
Probably makes no big difference, but i like it ^^
If you are really looking for hassle-free this is it. LetsEncrypt root certificates are already trusted by most devices so when your friends come over and wanna control the media library or whatever you don’t need to install your locally hosted CA’s self-signed certificates on their phone.
Also certbot and a cron or systemd timer is all you need; people have rolled all these fancy solutions but I say keep it simple.
If you own a domain, which you do, you can get wildcard certs from Let's Encrypt using a DNS challenge. Most (all?) popular reverse proxies can do this either natively or via an addon/module, you just need to use a supported DNS provider.
You don't need public DNS. You can use whatever domain you want if you use your own DNS server (though you should use one you own, or something under the .internal TLD).
Likewise, you can issue whatever certs you want if you trust the CA.
But LE does support wildcard certs. You can get them with certbot or other tools.
Personally I use traefik, which has LE support built in. It automatically gets an individual cert for each service. If you use caddy, I'm sure it has something similar.
This is potentially more hassle (than using public DNS) as you have to get your CA certs onto every device. However it may be suitable depending on the situation.
You don't need a public DNS record for https to work. You can just use public external certs as long as it's for a domain you own. You don't need to setup the same domains externally.
If you want certs for a domain you own, then yeah you're looking at self signed.
I have a script to self-sign 10 year certs on internal traffic only, and then added my public cert to devices needing it. I'm going to be really annoyed in a decade, but until then I'm having a ball 🙂
The most straightforward thing to do, on a private LAN, is to make all your own certs, from a custom root cert, and then manually install that cert as "trusted" on each machine. If none of the machines on this network need to accessed from outside the LAN, then you're golden.
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but you can just redirect traffic on your local LAN with an ad blocker like pihole ( I currently use adguardhome podman instance )
Basically, it rewrites any calls to your outside domain from within your local network, back to your local web server. As long as the site is setup with the certificate there, you’re good.
Then setup a nginx reverse proxy and you’re golden. Regular site outside LAN, internal site inside LAN.
Reverse proxy + DNS-challenge wildcard cert for your domain. The end. Super easy to set up and zero maintenance. Adding a new service is just a couple clicks in your reverse proxy and you’re done.
With certbot there's probably a plugin to do it automatically, but if you just want to get something working right now you can run the following to manually run a dns challenge against your chosen domain names and get a cert for any specified. This will expire in ~3 months and you'll need to do it again, so I'd recommend throwing it in a cron job and finding the applicable certbot-dns-dnsprovider plugin that will make it run without your input. Once you have it working you can extract the certs from /etc/letsencrypt/live on most systems. Just be aware that the files there are going to be symlinks so you'll want to copy them before tarballing them to move other machines.
I'm not sure about wildcard certs but I use this container to dole out letsencrypt certs for web services and it's fairly straightforward compared to traefik or something:
https://github.com/lucaslorentz/caddy-docker-proxy
You need to control a domain, so LE can verify you are the controller of the domain, then LE will issue you a certificate saying you are the controller of the domain.
For a wildcard LE cert, you need to use the DNS challenge method.
Essentially the ACME client (or certbot or whatever) will talk to LE and say "I want a DNS challenge for *.example.com".
LE will reply "ok, your order number 69, and your challenge code is DEADBEEF".
ACME then interacts with your public nameserver (or you have to do this manually) and add the challenge code as a txt record _acme-challenge.example.com. (I've been caught out by the fact LE uses Google DNS for resolution, and Google will only follow 1 level of NS records from the root authorative nameserver).
All the while, LE is checking for that record. When it finds the record, it mints a wildcard certificate.
ACME then periodically checks in with LE asking for order 69. Once LE has minted the cert, it will return it to acme.
And now you have a wildcard cert.
So, how to use it on a local domain?
Use a split horizon DNS method.
Ensure your DHCP is handing out a local DNS for resolving.
Configure that local DNS to then use 8.8.8.8 or whatever as it's upstream.
Then load in static/override records to the local DNS.
Pihole can do this. OPNSense/pfSense can do this. Unifi can do some of this.
How does this work?
Any device on your network that wants to know the IP of example.example.com will ask it's configured DNS - the local DNS that you have configured.
The local DNS will check it's static assignments and go "yeh, example.example.com is 10.10.3.3".
If you ask you local DNS for google.com, it won't have a static assignment for it, so it will ask it's upstream DNS, and return that result.
And it means you aren't putting private IP spaces on public NS records.
Then you can load in your wildcard cert to 10.10.3.3, and you will have a trusted HTTPS connection.
Have a read through and pick your desired flavour.
Dig into the docs of that flavour, and start playing around.
If it's all HTTPS, consider using something like Nginx Proxy Manager (https://nginxproxymanager.com/) as a reverse proxy in front of your services and for managing the LE cert.
It's super easy to use, has a decent GUI, and then it's only 1 IP to point all DNS records to.
I wish you luck on this. I also would like to learn more about this, but it’s not a priority for me. I just got a cheap vps and will use that for testing 😂
Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate
Yep. Just specify the domains yourdomain.com and *.yourdomain.com in the certbot request. Wildcard domains require the DNS-based challenge, but you've said you're already good there. You don't technically need the apex domain (yourdomain.com) but I always add it since I do have services running there.
Any subdomains under the wildcard can use internal DNS or internal IPs on the public DNS (I do the former, but the latter works too).
I used to run an internal CA, and it wasn't too hard to setup a CA and distribute my root cert. Except on mobile devices. On Android it was easy, but there was a persistent warning that my network traffic could be intercepted (which is true when there's a custom root cert installed), but it since it was my cert, it got annoying seeing that all the time. Not sure if Apple devices can even do that, but regardless, it wasn't practical for friends who wanted to use my self-hosted services to install a custom cert when they were over.
Cool. Follow up question: Do I generate the cert once and distribute the same private key to all the servers I'm running? I'm guessing not, but does that mean I run the certbot command on every server?
I have a single Nginx setup which is the frontend for all my web services. So I only need to deploy it there (and to its HA partner). My renewal script just scp's it to the secondary and does an nginx -s reload on both.
I do generate separate certs/keys for my non-web servers, but there's only two of those.
You could also, if you wanted, just generate one cert and distribute it and its key to everything with a script or other automation tool (Ansible is what I used to use).