Working full time - how do you do it?
Working full time - how do you do it?
I've just finished my first week at a new job. I like the job, but it's the first time in several years that I've had relatively standard 8 hours a day, 5 days a week as my schedule. The last time I did was in 2019 or so, and then I went and got back into graduate school for the interim.
Now that I'm back to standard hours, the commitment of time and energy seems to be quite a lot, more than I remember from prior ft experience(It could well be that this job is actually mentally demanding, whereas my prior full-time job was pretty brainless) and I'm not sure how I will make room in my life for anything else.
I like the job I'm doing, and I don't feel as if I'm being unreasonably pressured at work (Boss even said to go out of our way not to work overtime, and it's a salaried position so I know they're not trying to skimp on hourly pay), so I guess I'm mainly wanting to ask how the rest of you full-timers do it.
And does it get easier to manage as you start to get used to it and make a routine?
Maybe it feels like quite a basic or rudimentary to ask... But these are things I've forgotten in the interim since last working 40-hour weeks.
So okay here is what you do.
You get up, go to work, spend all day there, go home, stay awake too long, sleep too little, do it 5 days then try to catch up on lost sleep in the weekend.
This way you will get as little out of all your free time as possible, and eventually get depressed and/or have a mental break.
Good luck!
Don't fret about it. It only lasts another 40 years or so.
I'm 15 years in paper office space and already having a bad neck how can older gens stick to a same spot for so long.
There's culture shock and then hopefully you settle into the idea that this is your life now.
This is how it worked for me. Followed by just fucking get up. Tired? Slept like shit? Don't want to go? Just fucking get up and go, I don't want to be late or lose my job, I'll be homeless. I don't recommend this attitude as you'll burn yourself out but it's how I get up.
My problem is everything else. Where do you find time to tidy the house, clean, do laundry, shower, brush your teeth, now the lawn, etc, etc and then have energy for hobbies?
This is the part I can't wrap my head around. I've been a productive member of thr workforce for over 20 years but the idea that this is what the rest of my life consists of horrifies me.
I should mellow this a bit.
Right now you're experiencing some degree of culture shock so that's going to take ~6 months before that is fully settled. "This is weird." "Yes, that's something people experience in a variety of contexts".
But outside of that in the long run you really have to think about what's important to you and carve out time for that or you will be lonely and miserable. Something with regularity. I play board games with friends once a week. Sometimes I can't make it and they do it without me. But there's still way too much of my time that ends up being me staring at Lemmy or the TV, thinking that I really should <some chore>. And you can end up like that whether you are single or in a relationship. School was simpler.
School wasn't simpler. It rewarded you for efficiency and intelligence by returning time back to you for completing the work quickly and correctly.
There is no reward in the corporate world. You slave away endlessly and the reward is you either get to slave away more or sit there for your 40 hours + commute.
Nah man, it's 50 years of this and then you die
You ain't kidding. Looking forward to that final break.
Im still hoping to get good enough at drawing to be adopted im as a live-in hermit artist by some rich furry, so I can live out my life with no societal expectations /j
Exactly, and think of the value your work generated for someone else!
I can't speak for everyone, because I fundamentally believe that the increases in productivity due to technology should have been applied to flexibility for the working public instead of pure profit for the capitalist owning class. But for me, sometimes I can't stand another MOMENT of my work shift, and other times I find myself lost in the work for 14 hours before I even realize it. It's purely a function of what you're working on and what it means to you. Or doesn't mean to you.
I'm not sure how I will make room in my life for anything else.
That’s the neat part - you don’t!
I have a kid who's just starting full time work out of college. I'll tell you what I told them: you'll get used to it. You will eventually settle into the habit and it becomes routine.
However, there will be tough times where you need to work hard to motivate yourself to go to work. Those happen.
What works for me during those times is the same that works for me exercising (which I hate): one step, one mile, one day at a time. Tell yourself it's just one more day to the weekend or to vacation. Have something to look forward to.
Burnout also happens. What works for me there, is to draw an absolutely strict line between work and life. You need to fight for your work/life balance. Maintain friendships outside the office.
When you're not working, try to do something not related at all to work. If that's working on improving your health, that's even better. A healthy body and healthy mind has more energy. Do literally anything except working or thinking about work. If you can't turn it off, practice setting boundaries until you can.
Finally, and this surprised me as I realized that all the stupid corny stuff we do in the office: luncheons, raffles, TGIF, "just another day in paradise", and that, are coping mechanisms. Play along, but don't get sucked into a negativity spiral. Humor can be a great stress reliever, but watch out for HR watchdogs.
Try not to think too hard about how most of the evidence points to shorter work weeks being better on pretty much every metric.
Or that most of the "return to office" mandates are counter productive cruelty.
I think I saw an article that claimed most office workers in the UK do like 3 hours of work a day, and the rest is puttering and looking busy.
Our system is stupid and it's stuck stupid because of people. It's not physics. It's not biology. Like there's not much you can do to fix like humans need to eat and sleep, but the workday is just made up.
When last I changed jobs (going from full time in house software developer to a consultant working for a firm), and every time I've changed assignments since (same firm, most times same client but different teams), I've been absolutely knackered. It can even happen once you're back from a particularly long vacation.
Sometimes for a week, sometimes for up to a month.
It does pass though. You'll find you have more energy as you get settled. Remember, new people to relate to, new things to do (even if it is similar tasks as previously) does take up a lot of mental energy even if you don't feel like it does.
Cut yourself some slack, give your mind and body time to adjust for a few weeks. Remember to eat and drink right, and afford yourself some extra down time. In my experience you'll be acclimatised soon enough.
Congrats on your new job!
I don't. At least not anymore. I used to have a 40 hour, Monday through Friday job, but I had to find something else or I would've ended up having a breakdown. I'm autistic, and my life has been a series of periods of trying to be the person society wants me to be, failing, and then spending several years burnt out and unable to function before repeating the whole process. If I hadn't been able to live with one of my parents during those burnout periods I would've likely ended up homeless.
I've found that I simply cannot work 5 days a week. Even 40 hours over 4 work days will eventually burn me out. So I found a job that offers 12 hour shifts, and I work weekends. I pick up one or two shifts during the work week when they're available. I average 32 hours a week.
It's unarmed security, and it works for me, even though it doesn't pay well. I've just accepted that I will be poor, and my life is much better this way. Capitalism has brainwashed us into believing that money is more valuable than time, and there's something wrong with you if you can't match what is expected of you.
Well, I enjoy my job, is a big part of it. But I also commute by bike, which gives we time to decompress and switch gears, pun intended, between work and home.
I was about to ask OP how they commute. I have 3/5 home office, but I go to the office practically every day because I commute by bike, so going to the office is an excuse to ride my bike.
Some of us never get used it it, because there's nothing normal about it.
And does it get easier to manage as you start to get used to it and make a routine?
European here. I worked many years for 40h/week and I never got used to it, really. There was not enough spare time in my life to enjoy it (especially, since commuting to work took off even more useful time). I neglected cleaning my room, postponed important appointments as much as possible and I was often too tired to do the things I love.
Since 2024, I now work 30h/week, completely from home. I have every Friday off and Thursday is a short day. My life has improved drastically. I am no longer tired all the time, I'm more motivated at work and I am actually capable of going to concerts, parties, cinema. It's amazing.
Every human is built different. I realized I absolutely cannot function having a 9to5 job from Monday to Friday.
I've been jobless for a year and recently found a job again as well. After my first day I was so exhausted, it was unbelievable. I literally came home after work, made and had some food, chilled on discord with a friend for an hour and was already too tired, so I went to bed after being awake for about 12h.
Starting a new job, a new chapter of your life is exhausting. You learn a lot of new things, you get a lot of new impressions. All this requires the gray matter in your skull to work pretty hard.
Now, even with mentally demanding jobs, you'll form routines that make things easier. Not just stuff like a morning routine or your route to work, but also work processes become easier after you get into the groove. On top of that, with time there are less new things you need to remember, like names of your coworkers, your offices layout, or what bus to take.
It gets easier with time. Hang in there.
Im not joking here, working from 7am to 3pm feels sooo much shorter than working from 9am to 5pm. If you have the ability to decide your own work hours, then try to start earlier. Even starting at 8 instead of 9 is already a big difference in my experience.
When i was starting at 9-9:30 i always hovered around 0 in terms of overtime, now i switched to starting at ~7:30 and im easily racking up 4h of overtime per week, that i can then freely use to get off early from work on other days, and it doesnt feel like im pushing myself.
These working conditions are a privilege for sure so if you arent lucky enough to have that freedom just ignore what i said.
For me it was finding joy in work.
I, partly, became a manager to help others develop. I’ve been fortunate and worked for a few companies that believe the company can’t be at its best unless we’re training others to do our roles, train up mentality. I found that it’s a major kick to see someone succeed in something they never thought they could achieve.
I’ve helped a guy making decent money, make a lot more, raise his credit substantially, and fulfill the dream of owning a home. That’s something he never thought he’d be able to do. He was stuck in the mentality of born poor, die poor. He just needed someone to show him how our capitalist systems work and how to take advantage of that. Not only is he making more money but he’s happier and therefore more productive and does better quality work. No other sense of accomplishment has come close for me than directly affecting others lives. It’s really something.
And echoing what others’ have said, you do build endurance to the hours and grind the more you do it. I can basically work all day and not feel tired until I finally relax. I’m fortunate enough to have a job that has shorter days to balance the longer and I’m not stuck in an office all day (which I HATE). Not all jobs are office only / physical labor only. The great thing about COVID is that it forced remote work and a lot more flexibility in a lot of industries. I’m more of a hybrid work is best for me person.
It also helps to build a solid daily, weekly, monthly routine or “battle rhythm” as the military puts it. This helps break up the monotony of the days while keeping you on track to succeed. Consistency is the major thing that separates those that accomplish their goals and those that don’t.
Echoing "You get used to it." Right now, I feel like you're actively having to think of about everything: Getting up, what to wear, where to go, peoples' names, greetings, what you were doing when you left yesterday, etc., etc. Some of that will soon fall into the background. You won't have to expend as much mental energy on things. You'll just know people's name, you'll be in a routine, getting to work will be second nature, and what have you.
now imagine having a girlfriend / boyfriends plus 3 little ones?
Luckily i dont yet that going on but i feel your pain sometimes. I tend to go to bed around 11pm and get up at 5am. Naturally without any alarms. So i have 2 hours in the morning, i tend to do smaller home duties and then after work, study for 1 hour (no more no less), eat and then chill on the couch. On the weekend, get all of your cleaning, errands do as soon as possible which will allow the rest of the day to hang out with friends, or whatever
My biggest advice that I wish more people would is to go to bed on Friday / Saturday / Sunday at the same time you would throughout the week. Dont extend your waking hours and be sluggish come Monday.
Also enjoy your life. It goes quick
The first week at any job is always exhausting. There's a lot to take in, and a lot of active decision-making to do. It gets better fast when a lot of small things start going on autopilot.
Long commutes add to the suck.
Everybody’s working for the
weekendoligarchs!Great song
Imagine having children
And childcare eats 20%+ of your income
And your local government has made it illegal to terminate pregnancies
Nor will they support you after the baby is born
Grab your bootstraps youngin!
Life is hard, and then you die.
Building a routine, and sticking with it helps a lot, as well as eating clean and exercising (which I need to get back into, lol). When you can nail a morning routine and carry that momentum through work, you'll be tired, but should have time to decompress after work every day and still get most of your chores done.
The key for me has been finding a job I don't hate, and I don't have to take home with me. Don't get me wrong, I don't LOVE my job, it's not what I'd like to do for the rest of my life or anything, but it's decently manageable most days and I don't have any outside of hours responsibilities.
As an added bonus, I've always been a second shift person ever since highschool and it still works in my life right now. This allows me to spend the hours I have the most energy at home doing what I actually enjoy like my hobbies and such.
One of the major reasons I became self employed instead
hated that work culture so i left as soon as the opportunity presented itself.
went to teach ESL. half the hours for better pay
It does get easier as you adjust. I went from Uni Art classes, to full time Industry trade job at 55 hours a week. It feels like you have no time for you. You adjust to the me time being late evening or weekends only. A 4 day (40h) work week is a better life balance. A company I worked for out here started that after COVID
Have you considered embracing homelessness? I wish i wasnt being serious but it is an option that if planned for instead of being forced into, is somewhat freeing. The van dweller community is growing extremely fast right now.
I'm curious how that works for health insurance and saving for retirement. Presumably van dwelling requires some amount of working to fund food, gas, and repairs. So I'm guessing Obamacare or maybe Medicaid for health insurance if your income is low enough. But how does planning for the future work?
A few things help me.
Short commute, so no extra time spent getting to and from the office, and an electric bike that I enjoy commuting on.
Coffee and breakfast at my desk at work, not before going in.
Help at home - husband cleans after supper, and we have a biweekly cleaning lady so I'm not spending all weekend just catching up, can have at least a day to actually relax.
The people I work with are amazing, I like them so much and they like me and each other, it's a good group.
Taking all my PTO. I do a lot of Fridays off, and usually one solid week off at some point but using them to make short weeks/long weekends feels best to me.
If you really can't adjust maybe ask about doing the 40 as 4x 10hours not 5x 8?
40 hours is pretty long TBF! I’d probably just zone out for the last hour of each day.
Once you fall into a routine it will get easier.
First week is tough because you're learning the job, plus learning the best ways to travel, where to buy stuff, etc.
Congratulations, you're now a slave. Get back to work.
It only ever gets worse. Just wait until you get to do that new process you just learned for the 2,000th time while emails flood your inbox, bringing the unread count to 672.
Others have offered fantastic advice, I'm not going to add anything from personal experience. I will share this link: https://fs.blog/david-foster-wallace-this-is-water/
Reading this isn't going to change your life, but I find it very helpful to reframe how you think about life. It deals more with the long term impact of having a full time job, outside of work in a way that worked for my brain. Hopefully you find it helpful but it's not a single solution.
20 years in - you'll get used to it. Change your employer and find a job that not only pays your bills, but also somewhat fulfills you. Else you'll definitely burn youself out. Find that niche of yours until you're 35 and then stay with it.
Then, those 8 hours a day won't feel too difficult and you'll be like, "eh, weekend's ahead, lets find love in life". Because ultimately life is about happinesd. If you need to give up way too much time to enjoy life, your job is inefficient at giving you the needs to get happy. So switch your employer or your professsion. Heck I've seen student colleagues giving up studying and going for machining. Always smiles with his dirty fingers about how fun things are now for him.
So yeah, it's not all about money, it's about happiness.
Just stay clear of any form of drugs (including cigarettes, alcohol and sugar). The big problem with drugs is they literally make you happy by stealing your future happiness. You pay that credit back with future happiness and the interests on that credit are insane.
Lmao don't eat sugar omg what kind of perfect drug are you on?
Go on a sugar detox for 30 days just by cutting out sugary drinks like soda or sweet tea. When you go back to drinking it you’ll be chocked at how sweet it tastes now. You’ve just become desensitized to the 38-45g of sugar in a 12oz. The major benefit is you just feel better. Sugar is totally a drug.
Working 40 hours can be tough. I think it is about a finding a setup that can work for you. Here's how I set it up to work for me (I work more than 40, so some of this is just so I don't die). Maybe there's something in there you can try out.
- I work with family so I can double up work/family time
- I work from home so I don't have to commute and I can pause to see my kids off to/come home from school
- My husband does not work so I see him throughout the day and he takes care of household chores
- I let my kids play in my office when I'm working (even on conference calls)
- I like my job and coworkers
- I take naps on the weekend
- I have given up on hobbies outside of what my kids like
- I get up at 4am and start work most days by 5am to ensure I have evenings with my family
I’ve been at my job for less than a year, so I’m still learning new stuff here and there. I’m salaried too. When I’m working on processes I am familiar with - my job is cake. This week I took on a new and complex project and suddenly felt like you - why is this week so long and exhausting?! Give yourself a few months to get comfortable and your days will go by quickly.
Because it gives me stability to enjoy life. Simple as that. One part of the life puzzle.
I think it will get easier after a few weeks. The mind is like a muscle, it will adapt to how hard you push it after awhile.
