Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Striking Motorcyclists More Than Any Other Brand: New Analysis

It’s because the system has to rely on visual cues, since Tesla’s have no radar. The system looks at the tail light when it’s dark to gauge the distance from the vehicle. And since some bikes have a double light the system thinks it’s a car in front of them that is far away, when in reality it’s a bike up close. Also remember the ai is trained on human driving behavior which Tesla records from their customers. And we all know how well the average human drives around two wheeled vehicles.

Cuz other self driving cars use LIDAR so it's basically impossible for them to not realise that a bike is there.

You mean they are providing organ donations more than any other car. Silver lining. /s

the cybertruck is sharp enough to cut a deer in half, surely a biker is just as vulnerable.

What bike is that in the photo?

Remember, you have the right to self-defence, against both rogue robots and rogue humans.

This is another reason I’ll never drive a motorcycle. Fuck that shit.

I wonder if a state court judge could mandate its use as unsafe?

I imagine bicyclists must be æffected as well if they're on the road (as we should be, technically). As somebody who has already been literally inches away from being rear-ended, this makes me never want to bike in the US again.

Time to go to Netherlands.

Tesla self driving is never going to work well enough without sensors - cameras are not enough. It’s fundamentally dangerous and should not be driving unsupervised (or maybe at all).

Sounds like NHTSA needs a visit from DOGE!

Hey guys relax! It's all part of the learning experience of Tesla FSD.
Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

Regards
Elon Musk
CEO of Tesla

Unless it's a higher rate than human drivers per mile or hours driven I do not care. Article doesn't have those stats so it's clickbait as far as I'm concerned

Lidar needs to be a mandated requirement for these systems.

Why is self-driving even allowed?

Stop dehumanizing drivers who killed people.
Feature, wrongly called, Full Self-Driving, shall be supervised at any time.

Every captcha.....can you see the motorcycle? I would be afraid if they wanted all the squares with small babies or maybe just regular folk...can you pick all the hottie's? Which of these are body parts?

LIDAR vs Tesla.

Elon needs to take responsibility for their death.

Good to know, I'll stay away from those damn things when I ride.

as daily rider, i must add having a tesla behind to the list of road hazards to look out

On a quick read, I didn't see the struck motorcycles listed. Last I heard, a few years ago, was that this mainly affected motorcycles with two rear lights that are spaced apart and fairly low to the ground. I believe this is mostly true for Harleys.

The theory I recall was that this rear light configuration made the Tesla assume it was looking (remember, only cameras without depth data) at a car that was further down the road - and acceleration was safe as a result. It miscategorised the motorcycle so badly that it misjudged it's position entirely.

Let's get this out of the way: Felon Musk is a nazi asshole.

Anyway, It should be criminal to do these comparisons without showing human drivers statistics for reference. I'm so sick of articles that leave out hard data. Show me deaths per billion miles driven for tesla, competitors, and humans.

Then there's shit like the boca raton crash, where they mention the car going 100 in a 45 and killing a motorcyclist, and then go on to say the only way to do that is to physically use the gas pedal and that it disables emergency breaking. Is it really a self driving car at that point when a user must actively engage to disable portions of the automation? If you take an action to override stopping, it's not self driving. Stopping is a key function of how self driving tech self drives. It's not like the car swerved to another lane and nailed someone, the driver literally did this.

Bottom line I look at the media around self driving tech as sensationalist. Danger drives clicks. Felon Musk is a nazi asshole, but self driving tech isn't made by the guy. it's made by engineers. I wouldn't buy a tesla unless he has no stake in the business, but I do believe people are far more dangerous behind the wheel in basically all typical driving scenarios.

For what it's worth, it really isn't clear if this is FSD or AP based on the constant mention of self driving even when it's older collisions when it would definitely been AP, and is even listed as AP if you click on the links to the crash.

So these may all be AP, or one or two might be FSD, it's unclear.

Every Tesla has AP as well, so the likelihood of that being the case is higher.

Musk = POS Nazi. Who couldn't care less about people being killed by his shit companies.

I'm wondering how that stacks up to human drivers. Since the data is redacted I'm guessing not well at all.

I'm not sure how that's possible considering no one manufactures self-driving cars that I know of. Certainly not Tesla.