Carney May Be Better Than Poilievre, But Serious Issues Remain
Carney May Be Better Than Poilievre, But Serious Issues Remain
A consummate technocrat like Mark Carney, committed in his bones to neoliberalism, can only exacerbate the economic pain
In perhaps his most disappointing policy announcement thus far, Carney has indicated he will scrap the Liberal's plan to increase the capital gains inclusion rate. This mildly progressive measure was directed squarely at the passive incomes of the wealthiest sliver of Canadians and would have served as a healthy revenue generator. Instead, it's destined for the scrapheap.
He's not Mr. Right...but he is Mr. Right Now.
I've been saying for weeks now, thirty years ago this dude would've landed solidly Progressive Conservative.
I'm still gonna vote Liberal to keep PP out, but they ain't my preference.
You and me both. Carney is Progressive Conservative, whether that party still exists or not. And, yes, if I must, I must, although I've had it up to here with having to vote for a party I dislike just because the only other viable option is so much worse. There are days I shed a tear, even now, for Jack Layton: he was no more than mildly left, but, damn! I wish he'd had his chance!
And where would Trudeau land? Green party or the "green" party is my bet.
Right, because buying a pipeline to ensure it will be completed, allowing for even more oil extraction, is definitely the sort of thing the Green party would do...
Please please please people don't parrot brain-dead American takes that not voting for Carney is voting for PP. We are running a parliamentary election in a Westminster system. There is no single election, there are 338 elections. We don't elect a prime minister, we elect a parliament.
Think, and vote strategically.
While it is absolutely true that the blackmail holds in ridings where it's a competitive Conservative-Liberal race, it is a shit take in ridings where eg the race is between Conservatives and NDP (where Liberals would be the spoiler) or where the race is between the Liberals and the NDP, or the Bloc or the Greens (a Liberal minority dependent on the NDP/BQ/GP is actually a possible outcome that keeps PP out power and can moderate Carney's neoliberal tendencies).
So, basically if the conservatives have a chance to win your riding, vote whoever has the highest chance to keep them out. Otherwise, vote your conscience.
Vote! It's as easy as ABC.
Easy as do-re-mi, ABC, 1-2-3, baby you and me!
DON'T LET PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD
Vote red but keep the pressure on them, talk to your representatives and make your voices heard, because you know that the CPC won't care what you say, they never did.
First step is we elect a Liberal Government. Second step is we continue the fight and put pressure on them for proportional representation, de-americanizing our cloud infrastructures, gaining our independence and making our country stronger in the face of the world's instability.
We need to build, we need to make alliances, we need someone that has strong negotiation skills.
Plus, as others have said, if you don't have to vote Liberal because you're in a place where the Conservatives have no chance, it's ok to vote with your heart/morals etc.
My riding is a conservative stronghold, but I'm still going to vote for my local Liberal candidate. As soon as Election Canada received my local Liberal candidate's nomination application, I'm planning to scrape together some funds and donate to them.
I rather not vote red or blue. Just going to vote orange.
exactly, no one say Carney is gonna be perfect. actually no matter who win, there will ALWAYS be issue. because no single policy will be pleasing to everyone.
but lets just say if PP win.. we have PROBLEMS. not just issues. and at this point, Carney is the BEST option.
Here we go huh?
Was there ever any doubt? Given his history, it's pretty clear where his policy priorities are gonna land.
Like OP says, Poilievre appears to have worse policies than Carney, but that doesn't mean Carney deserves carte blanche.
Alright, NDP it is then, just like every other election.
Edit: I'm talking about my personal vote. Am I being downvoted for this? Could I get some feedback as well?
It's kinda a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If you follow the ABC (anything but conservative) "strategic" crowd, then you slowly push Canada towards a two party system. If you vote for someone who actually represents your political views, then you potentially help get PP elected.
This is why proportional representation is so important, and why I single-issue voted for Trudeau, as he promised to fix what is in my opinion the biggest problem with our current political system. The Liberals proved they can't be trusted to properly follow through on their promises, so I can't, in good conscience, give them my vote again until they prove themselves trustworthy.
The move towards a two-party system is inevitable under first-past-the-post voting systems. This is why I considered Trudeau's betrayal of electoral reform to be a generational stab-in-the-back and swore I would never vote Liberal again.
And first-past-the-post is also why I am breaking that vow and voting Liberal in the upcoming election. My riding happens to be a "tossup" between Conservative and Liberal, and in this particular election I can't afford to "vote my conscience". The existence of Canada is at stake. And so I hold my nose really hard and recognize the reality of the facts before me.
Some people may be fortunate enough to be in ridings where a vote for NDP wouldn't literally help put Poilievre in power, but I am not. I must do what I can to actually help. I recommend everyone check your riding's polling numbers to confirm whether you have that luxury.
I already voted for Carney to lead the Libs, but I'll not be voting for him in the general election if he doesn't answer these
questionsissues three:We need to see proportional representation. It will drive engagement, especially for this campaign.
We need to see a return to the days of the 1% and corporations paying their fair share, since they are the ones who most benefit from our systems and infrastructure.
We need an end to welfare for the 1% and corporations. We know what a balance sheet is, and so does Carney.
I'm curious if it's the "you'll split the vote" chucklefucks or conservatives.
I'm wondering too, because that's not looking to be a concern for me.
Edit: my riding
It should be riding/regional based. There are NDP strongholds still, and LPC vote could split resulting in CPC win. Media won't help you understand this.
Agreed, but speaking for myself, continuing to vote NDP isn't looking like it will impact anything.
It's either a guy who's a mix of good and bad, or several others that are basically 90%+ all bad.
The question isn't why people shouldn't vote for Carney, but rather is there anybody else worth voting for? Has any of his opponents done anything beneficial for Canada in recent history?
There will always be issues to address. There is no such thing as a perfect candidate regardless of the global political climate at any given time.
Is Carney perfect? No, but he is our best bet right now by a staggering margin.
Opinions! Just like asholes; everybody’s got one.
Carney isn't a neoliberal.
Problematic? Absolutely. He's a solid Progressive Conservative, in the mold of Joe Clark and Robert Stanfield. He's a banker, and sees continual financial growth as essential to society.
But he also knows that the way forward for our nation is to diversify our trading partners, so we can cut off the ones that don't help us.