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How do you destroy the notion that Democrats are the good guys? Americans seem like a lost cause on that regard

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/27293783

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  • We don't have to do anything other then work on passing electoral reform one state at a time. Democrats can be whatever the hell they want, so long as everyone is free to vote how they want with the ability to transfer their vote.

    Electoral Reform Videos

    First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

    Videos on alternative electoral systems

    STAR voting

    Alternative vote

    Ranked Choice voting

    Range Voting

    Single Transferable Vote

    Mixed Member Proportional representation

    • Historically, that doesn't actually fix systemic issues, though, like the only parties of relevance electorally being pre-approved and backed by the bourgeoisie. Moreover, electoral reform doesn't have a real path to implementation that would make more sense than revolution to begin with.

      • it’s a long road with a lot more steps but simply “destroying” the notion that democrats are the good guys simply gets you republicans and that’s gotta be the worst way to shift left ever

        • The road is revolution, not just against the Democrats or Republicans, but the entire system.

          • revolution is easy to say on the internet but at the end of the day a lot of people die

            • People die without revolution, historically revolutionary Socialism has come with dramatic improvements in quality of life for the Working Class. Taking down the US Empire would massively uplift the burden on the Global South as well.

              • perhaps, or perhaps it could be replaced by something worse. there are no guarantees

                • Read up on historical revolution, Socialist revolution has a great track record, and if the US Empire didn't interfere it would be even better.

                • economic systems don't happen on accident

                  • the nordic states seem to be doing pretty well at riding a good line, and whilst australia is far from socialist, what we have is working great too

                    accident? no of course not… but consistency… a big bang “revolution” is the easy way out… it’s so easy to say you’ll fight for what you believe in when you don’t have to see what it’ll entail or what will come out the other side of it but the reality is far more bloody and is absolutely not what you have in your head afterwards

                    • the nordic countries do well at the cost of the third world. they are rich because of imperialism.

                      • and you believe a revolution in the US will help the third world?

                        socialist countries are plenty capable of being exploitative too. a revolution doesn’t change the people - it changes the power structures

    • This has never done anything in countries that use it, like SK, Japan, Australia, etc. It might make the candidate stacking a little more expensive, but that's it.

      If capital stands above the political system, the method of voting doesn't matter.

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