Clocks got banned first after suggesting that the OP try to be a genuine friend and try to find some common cause in real life rather than alienating people over abstract geopolitical factionalism:
I raised the issue that censoring earnest advice as 'tankie apologia' and preemtively writing off any common cause/ isolating people is no way to win people over either as friends or comrades.
I'm not here to tell them how to run their comm, my position is that this is way more draconian than anything I've run into in any of 'the tankie triad'. The same groups of people loudly complaining about censorship on 'tankie' run instances don't seem to have a problem enforcing vague/arbitrary vibes based censorship in their spaces.
For anyone wondering why we have such strict rules regarding tankies in our community, it's because they have a tendency to try to worm their way into leftist spaces. Tankies constantly try to convince everyone that they are leftists and that being opposed to working with them is "leftist infighting", yet they will defend nation states which oppress unions, commit genocides, or do straight up imperialism. All the same things that capitalist nations do. They either embrace these things or deny they happened, or explain that they were somehow necessary. Some are earnest in how they try to convince others, and some know their stances are not popular and try to be subtle.
Tankies are not leftists, and disagreeing with them is not arbitrary. Based on this we have decided to not platform them on 196. This is mentioned in the sidebar and anyone who does not like this is free to go elsewhere. Additionally, we usually give a warning if the infringing comments are not too bad. Both instances posted about here were instances where they were warned yet continued with their behavior.
Edit: We also don't mind tankies being active on 196, we only mind them defending tankies or proselytizing.
based on my observations so far pretty much everyone getting called 'tankie' on lemmy is a leftist, and many of the people most vocally opposed to 'tankies' on lemmy act a lot like crypto fascists.
I for sure have seen liberals throwing that word around thinking commie and tankie are interchangeable. We however use the term correctly.
My experience is that those that complain the loudest about this tend to be obvious tankies in their comment history. I've seen many be angry at how the word is used and then have posts on .ml where they proudly call themselves a tankie.
Most of the people we ban are worse than you, and call ukrainians vermins, some deny the tiananmen square massacre, or make bogus claims about how communist the CCP or russia today is. They are almost always from .ml.
.ml absolutely has a problem with tankies. That you continue to believe that most tankies are just leftists or that your stance on ukraine is not problematic makes it pretty clear who you are.
It was mostly for your comment defending the other poster, and for the axe grinding comment. That combined with your stance that ukraine should not defend itself against russian aggression in your comment history made your comments read as you defending tankies.
You were also warned prior to the ban yet continued to make comments in the same vein as before.
I'm opposed to all inter-capitalist wars. Sounds like the real issue is that I have a nuanced take on Ukraine in my post history more so than any of the things I said in the thread.
The advice on offer in that thread reeks of terminally online in a way that is extremely unlikely to accomplish anything productive in real life other than isolating yourself into increasingly small cliques.
Maybe you should add "no dissent allowed" to the rules so it's more clear that it's a cj comm
And yet here you are. I took a brief look at their sidebar rules and it's pretty clear that you broke one or two of their rules. I don't think that's a power trip. That's moderation. The Tankie Triad are also very heavily moderated.
Lemmy.blahaj.zone specifically is for trans folks. You're not going to make friends there defending authoritarianism, and it's part of their actual rules.
They also ban based on what your account does outside of their instance, and more than just this specific instance has you defending tankies (and it looks like, on cursory glance, you identify as one) so that would lead to a banning.
Don't worry though, there are a lot of folks banned from there who are sour about it who'll be along shortly to say PTB.
Lemmy.blahaj.zone specifically is for trans folks.
yes I know, I'm trans.
it looks like, on cursory glance, you identify as one
I'm an anarchist, I organize with anarchists, have done so for years. This level of dogmatism as 'anti-authoritarianism' I have only run into in a handful of online spaces.
The definition of 'tankie' is pretty clearly arbitrary and vibes based. I'm an anarchist, I've organized with anarchists for years. Sorry if I don't pass some terminally online litmus test.
generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereo
(politics,Ā slang,Ā derogatory,Ā by extension)Ā A supporter of policies and actions by theĀ Soviet Union,Ā China,Ā CubaĀ or otherĀ authoritarianĀ socialistĀ (chieflyĀ Marxist-Leninist) governments.
A lot of communities outside the ātankie triadā kind of autoremove anything that looks slightly suspicious coming from a ātankie triadā instance. I understand your POV but I donāt think it really reflects poorly on the moderators. BPR.
Assume the best, but donāt tolerate sealioning/just asking questions/concern trolling.
Donāt rush mod actions. If a case doesnāt need to be handled right away, consider taking a short break before getting to it. This is to say, cool down and make room for feedback
Send users concise DMs about verdicts about them, such as bans etc, except in cases where it is clear we donāt want them at all, such as obvious transphobes. No need to notify someone they havenāt been banned of course.
Explain to a user why their behavior is problematic and how it is distressing others rather than engage with whatever they are saying. Ask them to avoid this in the future and send them packing if they do not comply.
First warn users, then temp ban them, then finally perma ban them when they break the rules or act inappropriately. Skip steps if necessary.
The guidelines are specifically called guidelines, not rules. I'm unsure what important steps you feel I skipped. We did not rush mod actions, f.ex. We had a chat about what to do in our mod chat.
We sent a warning, but chose not to tell you about the ban, as we figured you were out for drama.
We explained how you broke the rules and what not to do.
We warned you first, then banned you. We always permaban tankies due to our no tolerance policy.
Proselytization, support, or defense of authoritarianism is not welcome. This includes but is not limited to: imperialism, nationalism, genocide denial, ethnic or racial supremacy, fascism, Nazism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, etc.