Privacy @lemmy.ml Alas Poor Erinaceus @lemmy.ml 1d ago

LibreWolf is to Firefox what BetterBird is to Thunderbird?

www.betterbird.eu Betterbird. Simply better.

Betterbird. Simply better. A soft fork of Mozilla Thunderbird

Had never heard of this before today. Anyone tried it?

EDIT: "Being a fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, the software collects some data about the user, less than the original Mozilla Thunderbird, as outlined in Thunderbird's privacy statement. No data is submitted to Betterbird, some data may be submitted to Mozilla. No telemetry and no crash reports are submitted, however, add-on updates and blocklists are downloaded from Mozilla sites. Betterbird offers a product Start Page which processes access data as described above."

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What you're looking for is Dove:

Dove is a suite of configurations & advanced modifications for Mozilla Thunderbird, designed to put the user first - with a focus on privacy, security, freedom, & usability.

https://codeberg.org/celenity/Dove
- Thank you very much! Will definitely take a look. 🙂
Librewolf is a privacy oriented fork of Firefox, it grabs some setting from arkenfox. Betterbird is not a privacy oriented fork of Thunderbird as far as I remember. When I tried it the only thing I was attracted to was its tray support, but as I use non DE compositors, so far wayfire, labwc and sway (tabbed layout), and as there's currently a Firefox bug, I didn't see any reason to keep trying it, and now on sway with tabbed layout I see no reason for a tray any ways...
- fork and arkenfox
  
  Thanks !
Interesting.

Did you read their website/faq? It very clearly tells me that Betterbird has a very different focus than LibreWolf. It's not about Privacy, it's about fixing bugs.
No. Betterbird adds random features.
BetterBird is great. I got it running via Birdtray under Cinnamon with some minor tinkering in the birdtray-config.json file.
Hopefully we can get a Betterbird mobile app one day.
- Try FairEmail. It's the closest thing I've found.
  
  https://f-droid.org/packages/eu.faircode.email/
- I was looking into k-9 mail and it seemed decent
  
  What stuff did you want to have in a mobile app?
  
  K-9 mail is literally Thunderbird. It’s been rebranded and taken over by Mozilla. They’re keeping the k-9 branding as its own (otherwise identical) app as a nostalgia token for the people that have used it for a long time.
- Will it work with K-9/Thunderbird for Android?
  
  The email servers themselves are separate (ex. Gmail, your school email server, work email server, etc.).
  
  Thunderbird / K9 are clients that let you access the email on your device
  
  So they should all be compatible with each other
Are there the same problems with Thunderbird as with Firefox?
- There are no "problems" with Firefox. The problems are with Mozilla and how they operate Firefox, so they could easily start affecting Thunderbird too.
I tried to use LibreWolf yesterday. The Flatpak version wasn't supported by KeePassXC, so that was a pass for me. The Fedora version did work with it, but it was also freezing my system and causing graphical glitches that were so terrible, I thought my hardware died. There were coloured blocks as well as weird pixelated warping. It's probably because I have Wayland, and I noticed that the Fedora version ran under X. I would have submitted a bug report, but I didn't even know where to start. Maybe I'll do that eventually.

E: I have narrowed this down with journalctl to be an issue with amdgpu. This happenes on Firefox as well, but not other applications somehow. It's something to do with a gfxhub page fault. I'll have to see whether an older kernel version might help.
- Truly the year of the Linux desktop
- Strange - I'm on Fedora Wayland using the flatpak version without any issues.
  
  No issues with the flatpak version on OpenSUSE Leap with KDE Wayland either.
  
  You used it with keepassxc?

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