Privacy @lemmy.ml TribblesBestFriend @startrek.website 2mo ago

Startpage or DuckDuckGo

So. I’ve been using startpage for a while and was wondering if it were better over DuckDuckGo ?

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As an alternative for both, try searXNG.

https://searx.space/ for instances.

https://github.com/searxng/searxng for the code, you can run your own instance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SearXNG for the wikipedia article.

Personally, I find it returns much better results than anything currently available elsewhere. It reminds me of a time when search actually worked. Also, no ads and no tracking.

BTW, different instances can supply poorer results than others, so shop around to find the best one for you.
- Incredible. I was thinking about something like that, didn’t know it exist already
- I just tried it with a few different instances, the fact that you can search the web for files is awesome. Just one problem though, I tried searching for a few specific websites in the "general" tab and they just wouldn't show up in the results.
  
  Maybe I'm just missing something.
  
  I don't believe you are. I'm not certain it's been implemented... yet.
  
  The entire Fediverse is a work in progress. It's just better than the alternatives.
Startpage=proxy Google
DuckDuckGo=proxy Bing
- StartPage actually uses a combination of Google and Bing results, and on mobile it’s entirely Bing.
I know it's a controversial take around these parts, but I've fallen in love with Kagi.

If I had to rank search engines by results, in my opinion/experience:

Kagi > Brave > Startpage/Google > DDG/Ecosia/Bing

Kagi/Brave/Startpage/DDG all offer privacy to some degree. I haven't really fucked with SearXNG though I'm sure its awesome.
- I’ve been disappointed by many and don’t trust commercial space.
  
  Dig around and you will find no so pleasant information on DDG and Kagi. I suspect same is true for any business backed search.
  
  I used both and eventually run into negative information, which made me reconsider both. I started with DDG, then Kagi.
  
  It is SearXNG all the way for me now and there are no regrets so far. Other post on it is the best option.
  
  What negative information have you found about Kagi?
- Why it's controversial? Kagi not secure/private enough?
  
  People don't like the idea of paying for stuff they're used to getting for free
  
  Privacy Guides does not include Kagi in their recommendations because an account is required in order to search, despite it being against their privacy policy to log, and despite the fact that they allow "no-log" VPNs, messaging apps, etc. which all require accounts. They're starting to soften to Kagi with their new Privacy Pass feature, however they seem hung up on the fact you need an account to generate private tokens. Accounts can be made with burner emails and paid with crypto.
  
  Kagi leadership has had some controversial opinions on search censorship (they're fairly blanket opposed to it) and other social issue in the past
  
  In addition to search, Kagi offers AI tools, which is a turn-off for a lot of people
  
  To me, none of these things are deal breakers, but some folks are eager for an excuse to complain.
I’ve been using Brave Search with Zen browser. Pretty good.
- I’m on Firefox Edge for my cellphone, Firefox for the rest
  
  What is Firefox edge? Do you mean Firefox focus?
- Is brave search a proxy version of google or did they build their own index?
  
  They built their own index, but if the search engine can’t find what you’re looking for, they have an option to show you proxied results from Google or Bing.
I'm more biased against Google than against Microsoft, and as mentioned in another comment, the search engines are proxies of the respective companies, so it's hard to give an objective opinion.

Now, what I would suggest, trying to be as neutral as possible, is to test both and see which fit your needs more. After that, use mainly the better one and keep the other as a fallback option.
I use several search engines. All have their + and -. As main search I use Andi, apart Startpage, Mojeek, Whoogle, Ghostery Search, Groot and some others, apart some specific ones, like Forums, Pixabay, Wolphram Alpha,, etc., I find what I'm searching for. Multisearch engines are fine, but they don't show the same results of the engines which API's they use. Apart of privacy, it's mayby more important to avoid search engines which logs the searh history, because the filter bubble effect, causing an biased information.
Ddg have AI and its bad. Startpage still being a google API. I consider SP because you can run it completly without javascript
- Can't you run ddg without javascript, on their plain html version?
  
  https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/
  
  Still cannot see other thing than websites entries in minimalist form, SP can show images, videos and more

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