Yeah, let's stop with this "don't judge people for their poiltics" bullshit

"But I just cared about the economy (more than civil rights, democracy, the rule of law, or basic human decency.)"

For me, this is the most maddening comment about our situation. The economy has done better under democratic leadership since we’ve kept track.
- It's worrying. This demonstrates (again) how people can be manipulated into supporting anything if tickled the right way.

I know some very good people who voted for the incompetent, confused and weak Jabba-the-Orange. I judge them to be extremely stupid.

All this, except change "Trump" to "literally any Republican in the last 50 years"

They've been dog whistling at racists to try to win elections their "kill the new deal and bring back feudalism" economic platform couldn't at least since Goldwater ran for the presidency

I told a former friend of mine that I’d lost so much respect for her judgment of character that I couldn’t continue pretending not to look down on her and that it would be best if we stopped hanging out together.

No regrets.

If they were capable of feeling shame, this might hurt them.

They're capable of feeling shame, just not for what you or I feel shame for.

The trick is to find out what hurts them.
- You’ve got to make them an outcast to their in group.
  
  So stupid shit like pointing out their hands are nicely manicured (if they are a man) that’s why they wear lifts and shoes too large for their feet.
  
  Or for women you call them a man. That’s why they do it to every woman they hate.
  
  Just observe them. They lay their cards right on the table.

I judge you for all that and also for your choice of political party because they represent all those things.

Unpopular opinion: if you base your arguments in political debates around morals, you'll only be able to convince people who share your moral standpoint.

Reading through this thread I understand the gist of your statement but you never said what you would recommend?
- Materialist and power analysis. Trump does things because it suits him materially. Not cause he's evil. So does Elon Musk. Ask what Trump has actually done for the Trump supporter.
  
  Everything is going to shit in the US, and instead of doubling down on "how does renaming the Gulf of Mexico lower the prices of eggs?", online libs keep complaining on how the vote turned out and that you gan't convince MAGAs.
Fuck that, this is just another rendition of the centrist/both sides bad/fascist apologizer number. Everyone that voted for this deserves to be ridiculed and called out to face the reality that they have forced upon the rest of us. Maybe then the lesson will stick. We tried the polite way and millions of people spat in our face. We do not have to take the higher road.
- I get the sinking feeling that a lot of Trump supporters are at a point where they simply won't trust anything we tell them.
  
  They've skillfully avoided the truth up to this point. They've drank enough kool-aid that they'll remain resolute in their "rightness" through shitstorm after self-imposed shitstorm. It's not about facts with them; it's about their feels. Their feels tell them that they are right and everyone in their ~~cult~~ "community" agrees, so they must be correct.
  
  The last thing that will convince them they were wrong, would be screamed realities from people they already don't trust.
- Name one person who was convinced to do something by being shamed. You're bust making them double down.
I don't think the point here is "I should be able to convince you", it's "We're not friends anymore, because you're a genuine piece of shit from a moral standpoint".
- Good luck with trying to improve the political landscape while not talking to a large part of the population, then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If Trump voters could be convinced they wouldn't have voted trump, so this doesn't change my calculus.
- If Trump voters could be convinced
  
  Are you sure you're actually in favor of democracy, if you have such a misanthropic worldview?
Famously didn’t work for republicans! Oh wait.
- How are the republicans a counterexamplex o.O

"It's just another Voting Culture(tm)"

If you voted for either imperial candidate...

Go on bb. Say it with your whole chest. These ellipsis look bad on you. You believe it, say it. Tell us how fascists and liberals are the exact same thing. Go on. We are waiting.
- Fascists and liberals are not the exact same thing. Liberals prefer to implement the final solution on a slightly slower timetable and in stages, while fascists are more inclined to just cut loose all undesirables as fast as possible.
"The oppressed should work towards their own murder, in solidarity with all the other oppressed folk being murdered!

It won't stop anyone from being murdered, but it'll make those of us not in any danger feel really pure 😊"
I'm not having that argument again. I understand the position that they were equally bad, and I support the rights of folks who couldn't vote for either of them because of that. But while I do acknowledge that US imperialism is not just a meme, I had to work with what I was given, and that was bad or less bad. I chose less bad.

I respect that others saw it differently and that's all I have to say on the matter.
- I understand the position that they were equally bad
  
  I don't. Every single day proves that over and over again. I understand being an idealistic young person with no practical experience, but in those situations the intelligent thing to do is to listen to people and not triple-down on the GRU playbook.
  
  Those who are neither idealistic or young, who couldn't be arsed to do the one thing that would have helped defeat fascism need to understand what a fuckup they are.
- I support the rights of folks who couldn't vote for either of them because of that. But while I do acknowledge that US imperialism is not just a meme, I had to work with what I was given
  
  Exceedingly well put, I don't know why that simple little bit of understanding is so impossible for some Harris supporters